Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[mercury]

I haven't seen anyone mention the threat of torture towards the mccanns on here........we are talking about a miscarriage of justice...that is not risible but quite possible

I have, on reading old threads

[Mr Gray]

I have, on reading old threads

I think you are mistaken....the threat of wrongful arrest and imprisonment was very real

[pathfinder73]

They were mentally tortured with lies about swingers etc + terrible publicity + many other things , including

..... forcibly trying to pressurize Kate to admit something that she and Gerry hadn't done, by saying that she would only get two years and Gerry could carry on looking after the children at home.  Better than both being locked away for years.

..... lieing to Gerry that the dogs had found evidence that a dead Madeleine was carried in the hire car.  And telling him that they had proof that he had done it.


Lies and mental torture

If Eddie alerted inside Murat's garage you would be singing a different tune. Where did they accuse them of being swingers in the PJ files? And I don't think Fiona would take her mother...........please shut up Sadie 

[mercury]

I think you are mistaken....the threat of wrongful arrest and imprisonment was very real

or the fear of rightful arrest!
And no I am not mistaken,a few have spoken of the possibility of torture, I just didn't dream it up because I have nothing better to do

[Brietta]

If Eddie alerted inside Murat's garage you would be singing a different tune. Where did they accuse them of being swingers in the PJ files? And I don't think Fiona would take her mother...........please shut up Sadie 

If a VRD alerted anywhere ... if there was no corroborating evidence to support it ... I would have exactly the same opinion of it that I do of all other uncorroborated alerts.

[Alice Purjorick]

If a VRD alerted anywhere ... if there was no corroborating evidence to support it ... I would have exactly the same opinion of it that I do of all other uncorroborated alerts.

Which is ?

[Eleanor]

There is no evidence of the PJ doing anything as in your first two paragraphs
Your third is just an example of police suspect interview tactics worldwide and to this day
The convo was about physical torture, please don't deflect

This Thread is about Ricardo Paiva, Kate had a dream.  Please get back On Topic.

[mercury]

This Thread is about Ricardo Paiva, Kate had a dream.  Please get back On Topic.

And the reason you picked on my post was?

[Carana]

Even if Kate HAD rung Paiva to discuss a dream (which I find unlikely), is this any more significant than Amaral assuming that Leonor must have been sending a subiminal message when she wore a black top on a TV appeal?

[faithlilly]

Even if Kate HAD rung Paiva to discuss a dream (which I find unlikely), is this any more significant than Amaral assuming that Leonor must have been sending a subiminal message when she wore a black top on a TV appeal?

Why do you find it unlikely ?

[Carana]

Why do you find it unlikely ?

- I see no reason to deny it if she had.

- Was she in the habit of contacting him about "dreams"?

- To what extent was this checked up on in the files?

- There were quite a few psychics in the early days - and someone's "vision" could have been interpreted as a "dream" / "nightmare".

And my point is still why would it be significant even if she had?

[G-Unit]

- I see no reason to deny it if she had.

- Was she in the habit of contacting him about "dreams"?

- To what extent was this checked up on in the files?

- There were quite a few psychics in the early days - and someone's "vision" could have been interpreted as a "dream" / "nightmare".

And my point is still why would it be significant even if she had?

No-one denied that Kate had a dream, or that she rang Paiva.

[Miss Taken Identity]

They were mentally tortured with lies about swingers etc + terrible publicity + many other things , including

..... forcibly trying to pressurize Kate to admit something that she and Gerry hadn't done, by saying that she would only get two years and Gerry could carry on looking after the children at home.  Better than both being locked away for years.

..... lieing to Gerry that the dogs had found evidence that a dead Madeleine was carried in the hire car.  And telling him that they had proof that he had done it.


Lies and mental torture

Any kind of police interrigation-questioning is upsetting. So..

The police had to find out what happened why would they not ask the last person who claims to have seen her some questions.. Well, apart from the obvious they are demi gods ofcourse.  Did the police tell the press they were swingers?

[faithlilly]

- I see no reason to deny it if she had.

- Was she in the habit of contacting him about "dreams"?

- To what extent was this checked up on in the files?

- There were quite a few psychics in the early days - and someone's "vision" could have been interpreted as a "dream" / "nightmare".

And my point is still why would it be significant even if she had?

- Did she deny it ? If she did could the fact that Gerry didn't know about the phonecall be the reason ?

- She wasn't in the habit of losing a child but it happened.

- No idea

- Speculation based on wishful thinking.

As I have said before it's not the fact that Kate had a dream that's significant it's that Gerry chose to deny hat she had that is.

[Benice]

- Did she deny it ? If she did could the fact that Gerry didn't know about the phonecall be the reason ?

- She wasn't in the habit of losing a child but it happened.

- No idea

- Speculation based on wishful thinking.

As I have said before it's not the fact that Kate had a dream that's significant it's that Gerry chose to deny hat she had that is.

On the contrary Faith - it's the fact that a DREAM was actually considered as a turning point in the case by the policemen investigating it which is significant.    What does that say about their professionalism?  It was a dream FGS!      If SY had made the same claim I would think they were all off their rockers.   I can't believe that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would not think the same.

Gerry did not deny Kate had a dream.  He denied that she had a dream that Madeleine was dead and buried somewhere - a statement which concurs with Paiva's own description of what she had told him.

People in deep grief do have intensely vivid dreams about their loved ones.   It's perfectly normal and certainly not evidence that they have committed a crime.  That is a preposterous claim for the PJ to make IMO.