After the Smiths sighting - Where could this mystery man have gone? Land or Sea?

[AnneGuedes]

No - the ideas of the so-called McCann sceptics who wilfully criticise these parents, and perpetrate myths and distortions about this case, their family, friends and supporters do not interest me.

You call them this way because other words are prohibited here, Chinagirl, please kindly bring evidence about the so-called "myths and distortions" before accusing.
Who is, may be "innocently", at the origin of the long living jemmied shutters rumour, for instance ?

[sadie]

You call them this way because other words are prohibited here, Chinagirl, please kindly bring evidence about the so-called "myths and distortions" before accusing.
Who is, may be "innocently", at the origin of the long living jemmied shutters rumour, for instance ?

Awww, Come on Anne.  You are a reasonably intelligent woman, are you not?

Rumour and magnification of something that might, or might not, have been said in the panic of the moment.  That is all it is.

You are totally human, are you not?   Even tho it appears that you are not a mother .... so may not totally understand what the panic would have been like to have lost your much loved child

[Sherlock Holmes]

I am perpetually concerned about the apparent absence of a car in this abduction.

Why would a car not be sent to meet the abductor at the place where the abductor was (wherever exactly that may have been, post Tanner fiasco)?  Why would a person have the abductor parade through the town, towards a social hub, to meet the car?

In general, a person in a car drives to meet the person he is picking up; the pick-up does not walk distances to meet the car. So why was it different here, particularly given the timing and with so much at stake?

I cannot make sense of it...

[Lace]

I am perpetually concerned about the apparent absence of a car in this abduction.

Why would a car not be sent to meet the abductor at the place where the abductor was (wherever exactly that may have been, post Tanner fiasco)?  Why would a person have the abductor parade through the town, towards a social hub, to meet the car?

In general, a person in a car drives to meet the person he is picking up; the pick-up does not walk distances to meet the car. So why was it different here, particularly given the timing and with so much at stake?

I cannot make sense of it...
...
There could have been a car,  but with Jane making an appearance and Gerry and Jez talking in the road.   Maybe it didn't turn up?

Or, it could be someone whose car would have been recognised?

[AnneGuedes]

In general, a person in a car drives to meet the person he is picking up; the pick-up does not walk distances to meet the car.

Thanks for making me laugh !

[DCI]

I am perpetually concerned about the apparent absence of a car in this abduction.

Why would a car not be sent to meet the abductor at the place where the abductor was (wherever exactly that may have been, post Tanner fiasco)?  Why would a person have the abductor parade through the town, towards a social hub, to meet the car?

In general, a person in a car drives to meet the person he is picking up; the pick-up does not walk distances to meet the car. So why was it different here, particularly given the timing and with so much at stake?

I cannot make sense of it...

There are car parks all around the apartments, front and back, in the block directly opposite. The most useful one IMO, is the car park along from the front of 5A apartment, only yards from where Jane saw the person. I wouldn't have thought they would park right by 5A, they could have been spotted.
What was stopping them sitting in the car for some time, if they realized someone had seen one of them.

[sadie]

I am perpetually concerned about the apparent absence of a car in this abduction.

Why would a car not be sent to meet the abductor at the place where the abductor was (wherever exactly that may have been, post Tanner fiasco)?  Why would a person have the abductor parade through the town, towards a social hub, to meet the car?

In general, a person in a car drives to meet the person he is picking up; the pick-up does not walk distances to meet the car. So why was it different here, particularly given the timing and with so much at stake?

I cannot make sense of it...

The car was supposed to pick up on from the pavement almost immediately outside 5A, just along from the drive in IMO.  But Jerry and Jez talking stopped the driver driving out of the little car park opposite the tapas Reception.  He waited; in the meantime ?bundleman got anxious and walked to meet him.

The driver saw Jane Tanner witness the abduction as bundleman almost ran across that road at J.T. corner.  The driver scarpered.   

?Bundleman was on his own.  He had to walk or leave Madeleine and also lose the chance of a big pay off.


Only my thoughts, but they fit.

[stephen25000]

The car was supposed to pick up on from the pavement almost immediately outside 5A, just along from the drive in IMO.  But Jerry and Jez talking stopped the driver driving out of the little car park opposite the tapas Reception.  He waited; in the meantime ?bundleman got anxious and walked to meet him.

The driver saw Jane Tanner witness the abduction as bundleman almost ran across that road at J.T. corner.  The driver scarpered.   

?Bundleman was on his own.  He had to walk or leave Madeleine and also lose the chance of a big pay off.


Only my thoughts, but they fit.

Fit with what exactly ?

[Lace]

The abductor did not 'parade around'  with the child.   No one else saw him between Jane and the Smith's sighting.

Who is to say that he didn't hide away somewhere?   In waste ground,  in a car [then driven on]  or an apartment?

Could be the car would have been identified.

To my way of thinking.    This man was meeting someone else at a given time.

[sadie]

The abductor did not 'parade around'  with the child.   No one else saw him between Jane and the Smith's sighting.

Who is to say that he didn't hide away somewhere?   In waste ground,  in a car [then driven on]  or an apartment?

Could be the car would have been identified.

To my way of thinking.    This man was meeting someone else at a given time.

The Staff quarters on Rua D'Escola, only 50 metres up the road from Peter Smiths sighting are the obvious place, especially if there was OC involvement.

To phone for advice or to tell a bopat to come and pick up ?from that little cove

Only my opinion, but it fits




@Stephen
Everything fits Stephen, if you take the time to read instead of scoff.  It is only a theory, but it all fits

[Carana]

A police officer and 3 employees of the Lagos municipality searched 188 (including underground) containers on the 7th, much too late.
Mrs McCann was the only one who thought Madeleine could be dead and looked into a bin, but this was after the truck passed (daily except for Sunday).

I've never understood how 4 people could thoroughly search 188 refuse containers and a landfill in a single day.

[faithlilly]

The Staff quarters on Rua D'Escola, only 50 metres up the road from Peter Smiths sighting are the obvious place, especially if there was OC involvement.

To phone for advice or to tell a bopat to come and pick up ?from that little cove

Only my opinion, but it fits




@Stephen
Everything fits Stephen, if you take the time to read instead of scoff.  It is only a theory, but it all fits

So the staff from the OC who need accommodation live in these quarters and you think the abductor would think this would be a safe place to bring the recently abducted, but one time guest of OC, Madeleine, with the inherent risks of Madeleine being recognised that would go with such a plan ? Or are all OC employees 'in on it ' ?

[sadie]

So the staff from the OC who need accommodation live in these quarters and you think the abductor would think this would be a safe place to bring the recently abducted, but one time guest of OC, Madeleine, with the inherent risks of Madeleine being recognised that would go with such a plan ? Or are all OC employees 'in on it ' ?

So we were told on The 3A's.

It is my belief that a key was used to enter and leave by the front door.  Reasons given in earlier posts

It is also my belief that it would have been a good idea to have someone that the children knew actually lift Madeleine, because then she would not have been scared.  Also if of the tapas group checking had arrived, that known and trusted person could say that s/he was passing and heard crying, so decided to go in and try and placate the crying child.



To go into the Staff quarters was, I agree, was a little dangerous, but desperate people sometimes have to take desperate measures. 

Can you imagine what it would have been like carrying a stolen child around?  How frightened bundleman must have felt.  Likewise the lifter, upon realizing that the getaway car hadn't arrived and bundleman had been left in the lurch and worse, had been witnessed carrying Madeleine away .... well,  s/he would have been terrified too.

Good to see you helping me, Faith

[faithlilly]

So we were told on The 3A's.

It is my belief that a key was used to enter and leave by the front door.  Reasons given in earlier posts

It is also my belief that it would have been a good idea to have someone that the children knew actually lift Madeleine, because then she would not have been scared.  Also if of the tapas group checking had arrived, that known and trusted person could say that s/he was passing and heard crying, so decided to go in and try and placate the crying child.



To go into the Staff quarters was, I agree, was a little dangerous, but desperate people sometimes have to take desperate measures. 

Can you imagine what it would have been like carrying a stolen child around?  How frightened bundleman must have felt.  Likewise the lifter, upon realizing that the getaway car hadn't arrived and bundleman had been left in the lurch and worse, had been witnessed carrying Madeleine away .... well,  s/he would have been terrified too.

Good to see you helping me, Faith

So after bundleman has been abandoned by carman, he decides that instead of concealing himself in one of the abandoned building that proliferate the area in order to use his mobile phone to tell carman where he is, he decides it's a better idea to roam half way across PDL with Madeleine in his arms, with the added risk of encountering goodness knows who, in order to get to the staff quarters, a place teeming with people who would recognise Madeleine, to make that call.

Really ?

[sadie]

So after bundleman has been abandoned by carman, he decides that instead of concealing himself in one of the abandoned building that proliferate the area in order to use his mobile phone to tell carman where he is, he decides it's a better idea to roam half way across PDL with Madeleine in his arms, with the added risk of encountering goodness knows who, in order to get to the staff quarters, a place teeming with people who would recognise Madeleine, to make that call.

Really ?

Yep, plenty of abandoned buildings in the old part of PdL, but not around OC.  All modern there .... no abandoned buildings at all.

Who says he had a mobile phone?  We are talking over six years ago in a financially poor country.  Where ordinary peeps had few luxuries.

Two years before that, hubby and I wandered across N Spain and then down thru PT, before stiking east via Salamanca, Segovia and wending our way back home.

My hubby likes gizmos and we had a Sat Nav (thank goodness) and we nearly caused pile ups in Leon in Spain, cos all the drivers thought that we were watching TV !  They couldn't believe it and were peering into the car rather than watching the road, in a busy city.  ... Leon isn't a backwoods place either.

Now that was in Spain.  They were years behind us with electronic gizmos .. and I suspect PT would have been even further behind us.  Furthermore, I dont recall seeing anyone using a mobile phone ... but to be fair I wasn't looking especially.

Who says he had a mobile phone?  Maybe even if he did, it was thought better that he did not carry one .... ? in case of it ringing or losing it.  Also if he were caught, there was a danger of identifying not only him, but additionally his co-abductors.


BTW, how do you know the staff quarters were teeming with people?  It is a very big blue and white block and most places in May 2007 were empty.   Bet it was half empty, but I dont know.  Do you?

Thanks for helping me sort this out