Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?

[Carana]

What does that ping map actually signify?

Isn't it simply a record of the periodic signal exchange between a cell tower and phones (that are turned on) within its range?

It doesn't seem to necessarily imply that calls/texts were being sent/received.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/cellping.asp
http://searchengineland.com/cell-phone-triangulation-accuracy-is-all-over-the-map-14790
http://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/

[Carana]

I'm still interested in the perceived connection between cell tower ping results and Mrs Fenn's statement.

- Mrs Fenn reported hearing a child crying, who she thought was not a 2-year-old or younger. It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.

- The cell tower records from that evening show that Kate's cell phone was not shut down (turned off) during dinner that evening. The last ping was at 22:27:50.

- Did the PJ analysis show that she'd made/received calls/messages/missed calls that evening? If so, where is the PJ record?

[Mrs. B]

In the Vodafone lists (about 50 pages, tiny text), detailing 1st Outgoing calls, then 2nd. incoming calls 3rd outgoing sms & 4th. incoming SMS. There's NO record of any outgoing calls or sms on Kate's phone on the 1st. I looked through the lists yesterday (thought I was going to go blind, honestly). Plenty on Gerry's though, but nothing on Kate's for the 1st - or at least I cannot find it.

[AnneGuedes]

- Mrs Fenn reported hearing a child crying, who she thought was not a 2-year-old or younger. It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.

Where have you seen that Mrs Fenn doubted from where came the cries and whether it was the same child all the time ?

[xtina]

e also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

[Carana]

Where have you seen that Mrs Fenn doubted from where came the cries and whether it was the same child all the time ?

That is not what I said.

This elderly neighbour wasn't interviewed until several months later.

I haven't seen any clarification about these issues.

[xtina]

this is what you said


Mrs Fenn reported hearing a child crying, who she thought was not a 2-year-old or younger. It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.



so where have you got ........It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.



when it clearly says  fgs


Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

[AnneGuedes]

That is not what I said.

This elderly neighbour wasn't interviewed until several months later.

I haven't seen any clarification about these issues.

Should the PJ have required from Mrs Fenn to pass an audition test since she said a thing and Mrs McCann, though she was out, another one ? You have to admit a test would have been humiliating. Much easier was to reconstruct ! And much efficient too !

BTW Mrs Fenn explained why she didn't run to the police station to reveal a crying episode that impressed her enough to call a friend on the phone... Ah, but this friend has never been checked, isn't it ?

[DCI]

Should the PJ have required from Mrs Fenn to pass an audition test since she said a thing and Mrs McCann, though she was out, another one ? You have to admit a test would have been humiliating. Much easier was to reconstruct ! And much efficient too !

BTW Mrs Fenn explained why she didn't run to the police station to reveal a crying episode that impressed her enough to call a friend on the phone... Ah, but this friend has never been checked, isn't it ?

So why did Murat tell a GNR officer, that Mrs Fenn rang him and she had been interviewed, soon after Madeleine's abduction?

[Redblossom]

In the Vodafone lists (about 50 pages, tiny text), detailing 1st Outgoing calls, then 2nd. incoming calls 3rd outgoing sms & 4th. incoming SMS. There's NO record of any outgoing calls or sms on Kate's phone on the 1st. I looked through the lists yesterday (thought I was going to go blind, honestly). Plenty on Gerry's though, but nothing on Kate's for the 1st - or at least I cannot find it.

is this the document? This is the one that is near fifty pages and as said before, it does NOT show any  data either side of 2-3-4 May

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_10_COM.htm

if not, which one was it? that you trawled through? That showed plenty of calls off Gerrry's phone but nothing off Kate's

And btw Kates mobile wasnt on vodaphone so not sure why her calls would be on any vodaphone document, which as btw nearly 200 pages long

To recap, not all pings mean a physical call was made or recieved, they also include text messages and network alerts, but there doesnt seem to be ANY detailed records  in the files for Kate Mccanns calls and SMS APART from 2-3-4 May

[sadie]

this is what you said


Mrs Fenn reported hearing a child crying, who she thought was not a 2-year-old or younger. It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.



so where have you got ........It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.



when it clearly says  fgs


Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

Mrs Fenns apartment is G on this image.  Seems that she is atop of two apartments, A and B.   Apartment B is  occupied by The Oldfields.  Now remind me, did they have one child or two?  Adjoining Mrs Fenns apartment is 5H.  Apartment H is the Paynes.

So who was crying exactly?  A Mccann child, an Oldfield child or even a Payne child?



Very easy to make accusations and implications, but you need facts and there are none.  Nothing that would pass muster in a Court ... not a UK one anyhow.

[Carana]

this is what you said


Mrs Fenn reported hearing a child crying, who she thought was not a 2-year-old or younger. It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.



so where have you got ........It's unclear where, exactly, this sound came from, nor whether it was the same child during this entire time.



when it clearly says  fgs


Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

Don't you think her (tardy) statement would have been worth further clarification?

There is another thread on this...

[Redblossom]

So why did Murat tell a GNR officer, that Mrs Fenn rang him and she had been interviewed, soon after Madeleine's abduction?

When was this? Link?

[DCI]

When was this? Link?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm

[Redblossom]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm

Deleted, read it wrong but suggests informal chats happened with Mrs Fenn and the police in the first few days judgingbythe date of that officers statement

Doesnt deminish mrs fenns statement though does it