Were the previous burglaries at Ocean Club Garden related to the abduction?

[Heriberto Janosch]

must admit I have never ever read that common burglars decide oh i found a child while i was looking for money or a tv or credit cards i will sell that on no problem

Sorry Heri, there is no plausible connection with common burglaries and missing Madeleine IMO

It is your uneducated opinion about the versatility of offenders. Read the criminological biblography and learn.

Heri.

[Redblossom]

I don't think I'm ignoring anything.

She was in a state of panic and had obviously had little sleep, if any.

I wonder what what she was actually asked, what she said, what the "interpreter" understood (who may or may not have had that much experience), what the interpreter said to the police officer in Portuguese and what he actually wrote down, possibly first in notes. Then, there was some process of confirming/reading back to her which isn't at all clear. And then she had to sign on the dotted line in a document in Portuguese.

The point at that stage was to get the ball rolling. The police needed to know the basics; the parents needed to get more officers looking for her.

Ok fine as you like.......

[Carana]

must admit I have never ever read that common burglars decide oh i found a child while i was looking for money or a tv or credit cards i will sell that on no problem

Sorry Heri, there is no plausible connection with common burglaries and missing Madeleine IMO

child abductions are either planned or even if opportunistic different  from anything I read part of  opportunistic or planned burglary

What about the "child in the bath case" in the UK?

[Redblossom]

What about the "child in the bath case" in the UK?

Was that a burglary?

[Carana]

Ok fine as you like.......

It's not as I like.

What if you had had a major distressing drama involving the disappearance of a vulnerable loved one in a foreign country in which you didn't understand a word of the language, and needed to mobilise as many people as possible to help search?

[Redblossom]

It's not as I like.

What if you had had a major distressing drama involving the disappearance of a vulnerable loved one in a foreign country in which you didn't understand a word of the language, and needed to mobilise as many people as possible to help search?

Sorry, but are you suggesting kate mccann signed off her interview whatever was in it? Because she wanted theball rolling? hello?

[Carana]

Was that a burglary?

Hard to tell... There were two similar cases, I'm not sure that this is the one that came to mind.

 Defendant said he 'wept' on hearing of abduction


Published on 17/10/2006 15:23

A CONVICTED paedophile broke down as he took the stand denying that he had any sexual interest in young children.

Peter Ivor Voisey, also known as Smith, is accused of abducting a six-year-old girl from her home in North Tyneside last December then subjecting her to rape and serious sexual assault before being dumped naked in a back alley.

Voisey, of Twentythird Avenue, Blyth, wept as he described to the jury at Newcastle Crown Court how he felt after hearing of the attack.

"I felt sick to the guts, I felt sorry for her.

"I knew because my name was on the sex offender register that, if no one had been arrested, it would be a matter of time before the police spoke to me."

Voisey added that he could not remember what he had been doing on December 26 but could remember in great detail what he had been doing on December 27 – the day of the alleged attack, because he had been attempting to purchase cannabis from the Walker and Wallsend areas on two occasions.

He added that for him Christmas was 'a stressful time' but it was the 'best Christmas I have ever had' and that both he and his half-sister Kerry, who he lives with, believe that 'Christmas should be a magical time for children'.

Earlier, the court was told of an incident in Macclesfield Leisure Centre in July 2001 where Voisey was arrested for indecently assaulting a 12-year-old girl.

He was sentenced to three years, later reduced to two on appeal, after molesting the youngster in the family changing rooms.

Robert Woodcock, prosecuting, said Voisey was convicted in September 2001 after pleading guilty, but he only admitted the offence after being caught by CCTV footage.

It showed him approach two young girls who were washing.

"He grabbed one, who was just 12-years-old, put his arm around her, told her to be quiet before placing his hand underneath her swimsuit," said Mr Woodcock.

He then said Voisey indecently assaulted the girl and hung around the changing and locker rooms for seven minutes, where he was seen with his hand down his tracksuit trousers.

Mr Woodcock added: "When he was arrested, Voisey denied being in the area or that he had spoken to any girls or gone into the changing area.

"After CCTV recordings were played he admitted having been in the family changing room and touching the girl, but only on the outside of the swimsuit, he denied putting his hand under her swim suit."

Lifelong friend Keith French told the jury how on one occasion Voisey had made a comment about a woman and her two young children, saying he wanted to abduct one from the street.

During the incident in 2004, Mr French said he had been picked up by Voisey in a white van from the Central Station in Newcastle.

As they drove towards Wallsend, Voisey made a comment about the group.

"He said he would like to take a kid off the street," Mr French claimed.

"The children were about six and eight.

"He made a remark that he would take children off the street if he had the chance and that he would do something to them."

When cross examined by defence barrister Franz Muller QC, 35-year-old Mr French admitted he had been taunted over the years by Voisey about his weight, disabilities and relationships.

But he denied making up the incident to get back at his friend, saying he had "no reason to lie".

Another witness and friend, Clive Rudd, claimed Voisey told him once of committing a burglary where he groped a woman who had been asleep on the settee.

He said: "He told me he had gone in through the front door. He said he had stolen a mobile phone.

"He said there had been a female asleep on the settee when he had burgled the house, she was semi-naked.

"He said he had touched her on her private parts."

Voisey refuted claims by second prosecutor James Goss QC that he had been dressed in black and had set out on December 27 to burgle more properties which, through his own admission, were in an area with 'typical Tyneside flats' of which he knew the lay out.

Mr Goss said: "When you went into that house and saw that child in the bath, your desire to do something to that child just overcame you, didn't it?

Voisey replied: "No sir, not at all."

Voicey also rejected DNA evidence which the prosecution claim links the defendant to the crime, like a footprint found on the bathroom floor and specifics taken from the child.

Mr Goss said: "When interviewed by police why did you say that it was 'physically impossible' for your DNA to have been found?"

Voisey said: "I meant that it was physically impossible because I wasn't there – it was not me."

Mr Goss produced Voisey's diary reading out the entry for December 27 which said: "Phew its over, chill now" claiming that Voisey was referring to the attack.

This was denied by Voisey who said that he was referring to the 'stressful build up' of Christmas saying that he was relieved that it was over.

The trial continues.
http://www.newspostleader.co.uk/news/local/defendant-said-he-wept-on-hearing-of-abduction-1-1618233

[Carana]

Sorry, but are you suggesting kate mccann signed off her interview whatever was in it? Because she wanted theball rolling? hello?

How would she have known that every detail was correct?

They were trying to get the search moving, not checking every little detail in a provincial police station that would later be picked apart as proof of their so-called "guilt".

The police didn't have time, either. They needed basic information and had hundreds of people from whom to take statements within a short period of time.

[Redblossom]

ok carana so that has what to do with burglary for money and objects? And switched to stealing a child?

[Redblossom]

How would she have known that every detail was correct?

They were trying to get the search moving, not checking every little detail in a provincial police station that would later be picked apart as proof of their so-called "guilt".

The police didn't have time, either. They needed basic information and had hundreds of people from whom to take statements within a short period of time.

if it was read back to her in english she shoukd have known/heard if it was correct or not and challenged anythingthat wasnt, thats all, not rocket science, they way you talk is that the interviews and evidence  given to police was unimportant and just something to get out of the way as quick as possible so they could go on and  get the search moving?? Hello

[Heriberto Janosch]

if it was read back to her in english she shoukd have known/heard if it was correct or not and challenged anythingthat wasnt, thats all, not rocket science, they way you talk is that the interviews and evidence  given to police was unimportant and just something to get out of the way as quick as possible so they could go on and  get the search moving?? Hello

Oh ... you were right, Benice.

Heri.

[Redblossom]

Oh ... you were right, Benice.

Heri.

No she  and you were wrong

[sadie]

It is your uneducated opinion about the versatility of offenders. Read the criminological biblography and learn.

Heri.

  Words of wisdom

[Carana]

I still don't see why it can't have been a burglary gone wrong.

[sadie]

I still don't see why it can't have been a burglary gone wrong.

could have been Carana. 

Personally and unhappily, I think it was meticulously planned and professionally executed with child abductioin in mind.  I hope that I am wrong