Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?

[AnneGuedes]

Thanks, Carana, absent-mindedly I arrived on the French version page having used French keywords and as I saw right on top Haïti, Port au Prince, I didn't even noticed it was a UN article.
I have more technical articles on paper, I'll send later.

[John]

So if Madeleine  had woke and wondered, the dogs could have tracked her  ? 

That's one theory we can lay to rest then

Exactly so and especially so as she was bare footed!

The dogs were able to follow an older ground scent so they would most definitely have found a fresh one has Madeleine wandered out of that apartment of her own volition.

This again is further evidence of a probable abduction.

[AnneGuedes]

Exactly so and especially so as she was bare footed!

The dogs were able to follow an older ground scent so they would most definitely have found a fresh one has Madeleine wandered out of that apartment of her own volition.

This again is further evidence of a probable abduction.

What evidence have you of this, John ?
The sniffer dog took, on the 8th, the same route he had taken on the 4th.

[DCI]

Correct Sadie.  The scent dogs would only have been able to follow her trail had she put a foot on the ground.

The fact that they were able to follow a trail out of reception, across the road to the lamp post just goes to show that they were following her scent.  Unfortunately it was a trail laid down innocently as she walked to the kiddie club.

Not much good, when the dogs weren't bought in for more than 24 hours after the abduction

Beginning to follow the track using Rex, from the door of apartment 5 A (the place where the girl had been sleeping) he would always head in the direction of Block 4, leaving block 5 the dog would turn to the left, pass by a metal access door to a path existing between the apartments blocks to the leisure area (restaurant, pool and playground). Immediately another attempt at reconstruction was made using the dog Zarus, who, in general terms, ended up following the same route as Rex and having the same behaviour.

It is important to state that this tracking work was carried out in an urban area and more than 24 hours after the girl's disappearance and numerous persons had passed along the path the dogs were tracking. It should also be stated that the path the dogs followed within the resort was practically totally surrounded by walls and the concentration of odours was stronger as they were protected from the wind. The searches finished at about 01.30

[John]

What evidence have you of this, John ?
The sniffer dog took, on the 8th, the same route he had taken on the 4th.

You only have to look at the routes the dogs took.  Reception to Baptista and reception to club.

[AnneGuedes]

You only have to look at the routes the dogs took.  Reception to Baptista and reception to club.

It has already been discussed here, John ;) Baptista is a red herring !
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[Redblossom]

Where is the evidence that a carried person does not shed skin cells, hair, sweat? Onto the ground where tracking dogs can follow it?

Eta I have read tracker dogs can find a scent quite a few days later too though obviously its always better to use them  asap

[AnneGuedes]

Where is the evidence that a carried person does not shed skin cells, hair, sweat? Onto the ground where tracking dogs can follow it?

Eta I have read tracker dogs can find a scent quite a few days later too though obviously its always better to use them  asap

Sniffer dogs can distinguish between body parts' scents. They mix these scents when they're tracking. This is why it wasn't stupid to give the dogs the towel that Madeleine used after her bath. This towel had the mixture of all scents, including the soap, champoo etc.. that composed Madeleine's scent when she disappeared.
Whether a person is carried or not, he/she will lose millions of cells on a certain width which is the trail, "le sentiment" (the feeling) in chasse à cour.

[sadie]

Sniffer dogs can distinguish between body parts' scents. They mix these scents when they're tracking. This is why it wasn't stupid to give the dogs the towel that Madeleine used after her bath. This towel had the mixture of all scents, including the soap, champoo etc.. that composed Madeleine's scent when she disappeared.
Whether a person is carried or not, he/she will lose millions of cells on a certain width which is the trail, "le sentiment" (the feeling) in chasse à cour.

It was a gusty night.  Madeleine's feet were about 4 ft off the ground.  She had just bathed removing any dead skin and little skin was exposed anyway.  Her head and hands were lying against bundleman, so would fall onto her own body or bundleman.  That leaves two tiny feet, just washed so no dead skin. and it was a gusty night.  Sorry you guys but there would be no scent for a ground sniffing dog to follow,  Nor with that gusty weather would there be ant scent left for an air sniffing dog.

That is assuming that it was Madeleine.  But we have a golden witness to the abduction and we know that Madeleine did NOT go that way anyhow.

The dogs were either following Madeleine's shoe/feet trail from a previous trip or they were following the sweaty smell of the abductor, which had mingled with Madeleine's on the Towel and blanket..

These same dogs followed the same trail, was it? ... a couple on days later.

You are in cloud Coockoo land if you think that a faint air smell would hang around like that.

[John]

I agree Sadie.  I had the same experience with police dogs.  It just doesn't happen in practise.

[DCI]

It was a gusty night.  Madeleine's feet were about 4 ft off the ground.  She had just bathed removing any dead skin and little skin was exposed anyway.  Her head and hands were lying against bundleman, so would fall onto her own body or bundleman.  That leaves two tiny feet, just washed so no dead skin. and it was a gusty night.  Sorry you guys but there would be no scent for a ground sniffing dog to follow,  Nor with that gusty weather would there be ant scent left for an air sniffing dog.

That is assuming that it was Madeleine.  But we have a golden witness to the abduction and we know that Madeleine did NOT go that way anyhow.

The dogs were either following Madeleine's shoe/feet trail from a previous trip or they were following the sweaty smell of the abductor, which had mingled with Madeleine's on the Towel and blanket..

These same dogs followed the same trail, was it? ... a couple on days later.

You are in cloud Coockoo land if you think that a faint air smell would hang around like that.

It was actually, 4 days later, Sadie.
How many others would have walked that route after the 4th. It wasn't cordoned off, was it?

[Angelo222]

It was actually, 4 days later, Sadie.
How many others would have walked that route after the 4th. It wasn't cordoned off, was it?

You are mistaken DCI.  There were dogs deployed within hours of Madeleines disappearance.



Armando Augusto Morais

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1982. He currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01.15, he arrived at the OC at about 1.55, accompanied by the officer Laçao.

They presented themselves to Sergeant Duarte from the GNR Lagos post and were informed by him of the disappearance of a small girl from the resort. There were other GNR officers present at the scene, but he does not remember their names. There were also PJ officers present.

After having established exactly where the girl had disappeared from, he was given a piece of her clothing by one of his colleagues, whose name he does not remember.

From the door of the apartment, accompanied by his dog, he walked around the entire perimeter of the resort and revised the interior of several of the apartments.

As he did not obtain any results in the area close to the resort, he extended the perimeter of the search to a distance of 1 km.

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[Angelo222]

...and from his colleague.

Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01h15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02h30.

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

They began searching with the dogs from the main entrance to the apartment, having given the blanket to his dog Numi to smell and begin to search.

The route initially taken was from the front entrance door to the passageway between Blocks 4 and 5, along the corridor and then along the passage that leads past the entrance to the small reception to the resort's swimming pool. After that the whole of the area surrounding the resort was searched.

With regard to the indications transmitted by his dog Numi, he says that at the beginning he was only “a little interested”, he let the dog "get on with it" .

They finished the searches at about 07h00 AM.

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[Mr Moderator]

Cheers for clarifying this Angelo mate.    
 
I don't know why posters continue to put disinformation about concerning the GNR sniffer dogs but one fact is clear and that is they failed to find anything of any consequence at all.

[DCI]

You are mistaken DCI.  There were dogs deployed within hours of Madeleines disappearance.

Armando Augusto Morais

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1982. He currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01.15, he arrived at the OC at about 1.55, accompanied by the officer Laçao.

They presented themselves to Sergeant Duarte from the GNR Lagos post and were informed by him of the disappearance of a small girl from the resort. There were other GNR officers present at the scene, but he does not remember their names. There were also PJ officers present.

After having established exactly where the girl had disappeared from, he was given a piece of her clothing by one of his colleagues, whose name he does not remember.

From the door of the apartment, accompanied by his dog, he walked around the entire perimeter of the resort and revised the interior of several of the apartments.

As he did not obtain any results in the area close to the resort, he extended the perimeter of the search to a distance of 1 km.

www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html#gnr9

If you re read Sadie's post, you will see what I replied to, Angelo!

4 Days later.

On 8th May during the morning four teams returned to search all the areas around Vila, following some indications from local people who had frequently gone to the GNR Command post saying they had seen something suspicious related to the disappearance but no sign of her presence was ever found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

Also, I didn't say the dogs weren't deployed, but, they weren't deployed from the apartment for more than 24 hours, later.

3517 to 3524 Report of Technical/Scientific Search and Rescue Group

Operation Commander
Major Sequeira

During the afternoon of 4th May, more searches were carried out around Vila da Luz and were extended to a radius of approximately 600 metres, including the surroundings of the EN125 in the stretch closed to P da L.

At about 23.00 the extra teams that had been requested for reinforcement arrived (Officer Rosa with Oscar and Officer Martins with Fusco, both from the search and rescue unit and Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team).

After the officers had been updated about facts relating to the disappearance, they tried to reconstruct the route the girl might have taken with the two tracker dogs. For this purpose the dogs were given a blanket to sniff, provided by the parents, which had been used by Madeleine.

Beginning to follow the track using Rex, from the door of apartment 5 A (the place where the girl had been sleeping) he would always head in the direction of Block 4, leaving block 5 the dog would turn to the left, pass by a metal access door to a path existing between the apartments blocks to the leisure area (restaurant, pool and playground). Immediately another attempt at reconstruction was made using the dog Zarus, who, in general terms, ended up following the same route as Rex and having the same behaviour.

It is important to state that this tracking work was carried out in an urban area and more than 24 hours after the girl's disappearance and numerous persons had passed along the path the dogs were tracking. It should also be stated that the path the dogs followed within the resort was practically totally surrounded by walls and the concentration of odours was stronger as they were protected from the wind. The searches finished at about 01.30

Subject: Report of Searches Related to the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

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