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Offline puglove

Well, I'm done. If you love and value your children, watch them, talk to them, show them your happy face, share all your little secrets. Don't stick them into a "kid's club" while you over-indulge, wank about and play tennis. And jog. Sorry to be an uber-bitch, but children are only small for a very short time. You will never get those golden moments back. And if your little girl cries, and begs you to be there.....be there. Don't leave her to cry. On her own. And worry about her siblings.

Be a f..king parent.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

AnneGuedes

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Oh, hush. I'm not Ann Eaton on the blue forum, and I have no agenda on here. If only you weird b....rs could pull your heads out of your ar..s, you might realise that whoever took Maddie had a key, and knowledge of the compound. It's not rocket science.
What's b...rs ? and ar..s ?
What is the meaning of writing the first and last letters ? It's segregative.
Who is Ann Eaton ? And who is whoever took Madeleine ? The PGR's report doesn't say so.
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Offline Benice

Well, I'm done. If you love and value your children, watch them, talk to them, show them your happy face, share all your little secrets. Don't stick them into a "kid's club" while you over-indulge, wank about and play tennis. And jog. Sorry to be an uber-bitch, but children are only small for a very short time. You will never get those golden moments back. And if your little girl cries, and begs you to be there.....be there. Don't leave her to cry. On her own. And worry about her siblings.

Be a f..king parent.

I can identify with much of what you say Shona .  However, I also am aware that parents make mistakes.

A million loving parents may leave their beloved child splashing in the bath while they go to answer the phone or a knock at the door, and 999,999 of them will return to find their child still splashing happily in the bath.   One of them will find their child dead.

No way would I dream of condemning that parent, even though theoretically they are responsible.   It's called 'human error' and the reason it is such a univerally recognised phrase is because 'human error' is common not rare.

For some inexplicable reason the McCanns have been exclusively denied from being allowed to be guilty of human error by some people.      I will never understand that mindset.   

 



 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Eleanor

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2013, 08:59:38 AM »

This is interesting.  The PJ Counter Terrorism Unit have recovered an abducted child in just two days.  So it seems that Portugal are rethinking their stance on Child Abduction.
This is very heartening and shows great willingness to improve how they handle this awful problem.

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3302618&seccao=Sul

Sorry, I don't know how to do translations.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2013, 10:03:33 AM »
The Ministerio Publico hasn't yet received the rogatory letters, but explains here how the cooperation will be. Basically the PJ will do for SY what the LC did in April 2008 (after an agreement of the HO that took 5 months to obtain).
http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/scotland-yard-diz-que-ha-uma-possibilidade-de-madeleine-mccann-estar-viva-1599257
I can't post a google translation without correcting it and I'm in a hurry !

Offline John

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2013, 10:21:11 AM »
Bing translation...

The British police opened a new investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal. In a press release, researchers from Scotland Yard announced that they want to hear 38 people of different nationalities who were in Portugal at the time Maddie disappeared in May 2007.

This "new line of inquiry" results of the review, in the last two years, the Portuguese original research, which is officially closed and which involved the analysis of documents and has 3,800 30,500 shares, during which "were discovered new evidence and new witnesses".

In the note placed on your site, ensuring that researchers are doing their utmost to realize what happened to Maddie. "In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we maintain the belief that Madeleine can continue living", reads the document.

Praising the cooperation of police and judicial authorities in Portugal during the 11 visits that have the Portugal, British researchers say being in dialogue with the authorities of the various countries from which are natural the 38 people who import to British police.

Of these, 12 are from the United Kingdom and would be in Portugal at the time of the child's disappearance. "We continue to believe in the possibility of Madeleine continue alive," insisted thep chief inspector Andy Redwood, in the said note.

The parents and another Briton, Robert Murat, have been accused by Portuguese judicial authorities constituted in July 2007. However, a year later, the Attorney General determined the archiving of suspicions, which dictated the end of investigations.

The British authorities have requested now permission for some British agents may go to Portugal to advance research. The pursuit of interrogations implies a reopening of the investigation, something that the Portuguese authorities have refused to do.

Contacted by the public, the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) explains, by email, to get evidence in Portugal the British authorities have to submit a request for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters, commonly known as the letters rogatory, which hasn't happened yet. "Has not yet received any request for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters", ensures the Public Ministry.

The PGR recalls that efforts will have to be authorized by the Portuguese judicial authorities, which are the only responsible for the execution of the request "as sovereign authorities that are". And added: "the British police will not be able to drive any interrogation or provide any diligence, motu proprio, in Portugal".

The full public Ministry that British authorities "cannot act alone in Portugal". "Can, Yes, request that is allowed to move to Portugal for coadjuvarem the Portuguese authorities in the implementation of the aforementioned request for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters, under participation of coadjuvação".

The Scotland Yard team was formed to review the case last year, at the request of the Prime Minister, David Cameron. The analysis of clues and documents cost, according to the local press, more than two million pounds (2.34 million euros).

In the document, the Scotland Yard asks to all who were in Praia da Luz between April 28 and May 3, 2007, "particularly in the vicinity of the Ocean Club", which come with contact to the +44 207 15 number 80126, if they have not come to talk to the police.

News updated at 5:25 pm: adds position of Attorney-General of the Republic
« Last Edit: July 05, 2013, 10:23:15 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2013, 11:18:11 AM »
Cynical or not, it has now become clear why the Met chose to release the Madeleine news now.  An Inquiry into the shooting of Azelle Rodney has found that he was unlawfully killed by Met officer referred to as E7.  Azelle was summarily executed when he was shot no less than 8 times at close range.

Sounds like the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes all over again.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2013, 11:26:43 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #82 on: July 05, 2013, 11:26:59 AM »
Cynical or not, it has now become clear why the Met chose to release the Madeleine news now.  An Inquiry into the shooting of Ezelle Rodney has found that he was unlawfully killed by Met officer referred to as E7.  Ezelle was summarily executed when he was shot no less than 8 times at close range.

Sounds like the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes all over again.

A good day to bury bad news !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Sandy

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #83 on: July 05, 2013, 11:38:02 AM »

Offline Carana

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2013, 12:42:29 PM »
Perhaps it was a good time to bury bad news... or perhaps the issues concerning the way forward have only just been resolved.

Even in the former case, I still find it good news that legal obstacles seem to have been overcome and that the review is moving on to a more concrete investigative phase.


AnneGuedes

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Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2013, 01:26:19 PM »
Contacted by "O Publico", the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) office explains, by email, that in order to get evidence in Portugal the British authorities have to submit a request for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters, commonly known as rogatory letter, which hasn't yet occurred. "We haven't yet received any request for mutual legal assistance", says the Public Ministry.

The PGR office recalls that interventions will have to be authorized by the Portuguese judicial authorities, which are the only responsible for the execution of the request, "being sovereign authorities". And they clarify : "the British police will not be able to direct any interview or realize any intervention, motu proprio (on its own impulse), in Portugal".

The Public Ministry finally points out that British authorities "cannot act alone in Portugal". "They may request to be allowed to stay in Portugal in order to collaborate with the Portuguese authorities in implementing the mentioned mutual legal assistance, their participation being limited to cooperation."

Offline Carana

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2013, 01:37:37 PM »
Contacted by "O Publico", the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) office explains, by email, that in order to get evidence in Portugal the British authorities have to submit a request for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters, commonly known as rogatory letter, which hasn't yet occurred. "We haven't yet received any request for mutual legal assistance", says the Public Ministry.

The PGR office recalls that interventions will have to be authorized by the Portuguese judicial authorities, which are the only responsible for the execution of the request, "being sovereign authorities". And they clarify : "the British police will not be able to direct any interview or realize any intervention, motu proprio (on its own impulse), in Portugal".

The Public Ministry finally points out that British authorities "cannot act alone in Portugal". "They may request to be allowed to stay in Portugal in order to collaborate with the Portuguese authorities in implementing the mentioned mutual legal assistance, their participation being limited to cooperation."

Well, that would seem fairly obvious.

Did anyone seriously think that the Met was about to invade Portugal?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2013, 01:52:52 PM »
Well, that would seem fairly obvious.

Did anyone seriously think that the Met was about to invade Portugal?
There's nothing "fairly obvious", it is just judicial cooperation ! No State having signed the Convention can refuse to give assistance, but they can delay, as the Home Office did in 2008.
Are you seriously wondering whether the AG thought the Met was about to invade Portugal ?

Redblossom

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Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2013, 02:01:34 PM »
It seems the PT authorities have not been officially been approached yet, although its been nearly three months now that the CPS went over there, Andy Redwood says here, something near the beginning, that they will *shortly* be serving a request (around 50 seconds in)


And what is that bit at the end? They hope to get a *resolution* but whether the case can be *solved* is a different matter. Wasnt he saying last year he was confident they could solve the case? Eta: Ah he means no guarantee of solving it after following these new lines of inquiry, but hoping to move it on, my bad




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Offline John

Re: Met Police say 38 persons of interest including 12 UK nationals.
« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2013, 02:03:26 PM »
Contacted by "O Publico", the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) office explains, by email, that in order to get evidence in Portugal the British authorities have to submit a request for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters, commonly known as rogatory letter, which hasn't yet occurred. "We haven't yet received any request for mutual legal assistance", says the Public Ministry.

The PGR office recalls that interventions will have to be authorized by the Portuguese judicial authorities, which are the only responsible for the execution of the request, "being sovereign authorities". And they clarify : "the British police will not be able to direct any interview or realize any intervention, motu proprio (on its own impulse), in Portugal".

The Public Ministry finally points out that British authorities "cannot act alone in Portugal". "They may request to be allowed to stay in Portugal in order to collaborate with the Portuguese authorities in implementing the mentioned mutual legal assistance, their participation being limited to cooperation."

Exactly Anne, just what I stated yesterday.

The idea that the Metropolitan Police will be allowed to interrogate anyone or pursue any leads on their own is pure bullshit.  They will be merely civilians while in Portugal, glorified bystanders who will only be permitted to stand in the background and watch the PJ do their work.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1891.msg60051#msg60051
« Last Edit: July 05, 2013, 02:05:33 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.