The facts: Madeleine McCann is alive and well or a long time deceased.

[sadie]

I agree with that. A big relief for the McCanns and a fatal mistake from the PJ (difficulty to admit a funerary ritual could be bypassed ?).

So we have got a funeral now, have we Faith Anne?

that seems libellous to me.

Sorry Faith.

[faithlilly]

So we have got a funeral now, have we Faith?

that seems libellous to me.

Not my post sadie.

[AnneGuedes]

The group spontaneously started to timeline their checks on the kids. They obviously felt they had to show they weren't irresponsible parents though they left their children alone in a strange place. It didn't pass their minds, nor the PJ's minds, to timeline eventual leaving of the table for some other motive, like suddenly remembering to have left sunglasses near the pool or not hearing well a cell phone communication or going to the bathroom, etc. Who would remember such details and moreover acknowledge them, since nobody then doubted the child had been snatched by a stranger ?
So we have a very limited view of that fatal dinner. Even what they talked about is unknown, except for the crying episode and dubious humour about Ms T and Mr OB

[sadie]

Just an aside.  Both Gerry and Kate are entitled to be called Dr, and NOT Mr or Mrs.

It is my understanding that Gerry is a consultant physician and as such he keeps the title Dr,

Kate is a Dr too.

Thought that would clear it up for you Anne.  It is a bit confusing, I know

Consultant surgeons, on the other hand, having been Dr. during their earlier years, become Mr again



As a woman of the world, I thought that you would want to get that right

[sadie]

Amaral is talking nonsense.  The beaches are to the south, not the east, or west.

Start off going east, turn right and you are going south to the beach.
Start off going west, turn left and you are going south to the beach


Amaral is talking absolute rubbish.  Waffle

I must admit that I am surprised if you are taken in by that Faith

[faithlilly]

Amaral is talking nonsense.  The beaches are to the south, not the east, or west.

Start off going east, turn right and you are going south to the beach.
Start off going west, turn left and you are going south to the beach


Amaral is talking absolute rubbish.  Waffle

I must admit that I am surprised if you are taken in by that Faith

Both ways eventually go to the beach but east would have taken the carrier in the dirction of Murat's, west to the to the point where the Smith's saw him.

[sadie]

Correct

[faithlilly]

Correct

That's what Amaral said.

[AnneGuedes]

Both ways eventually go to the beach but east would have taken the carrier in the dirction of Murat's, west to the to the point where the Smith's saw him.

In fact the translation isn't good : Ms Tanner would have indicated the opposite direction (east) in order to protect Mr McCann (who went west and then south to cross the Smith family).
I still wonder whether Ms Tanner, seeing a sort of Mr McCann lookalike (cf. Martin Smith) and convinced she couldn't be spotting Mr McCann abducting his own daughter, found it better to make sure the police wouldn't lose time following a false lead.

[DCI]

Anne seems to know an awful about this abduction. Even what the statements must have meant, not what they actually said 8-)(--)
Posting Libel comments, about Jane and Gerry, too.

[sadie]

In fact the translation isn't good : Ms Tanner would have indicated the opposite direction (east) in order to protect Mr McCann (who went west and then south to cross the Smith family).
I still wonder whether Ms Tanner, seeing a sort of Mr McCann lookalike (cf. Martin Smith) and convinced she couldn't be spotting Mr McCann abducting his own daughter, found it better to make sure the police wouldn't lose time following a false lead.

Anne you know damned well what you are saying isn't true.

The time that Gerry was away has been established by all sorts of people.  Thoroughly discussed in earlier threads.  Jane Tanner and Caroline Carpenter establish the time as well. Are you saying that Caroline is INIT too? 

You are committing libel again by at best accusing Dr Gerry Mccann of telling lies in his statement; at worst getting rid of Madeleines body. 

You are also libelling Jane Tanner.


What is it, that makes you say all these things with no proof or indications at all?


Tell us your theory, if you have one

[faithlilly]

Anne you know damned well what you are saying isn't true.

The time that Gerry was away has been established by all sorts of people.  Thoroughly discussed in earlier threads.  Jane Tanner and Caroline Carpenter establish the time as well. Are you saying that Caroline is INIT too? 

You are committing libel again by at best accusing Dr Gerry Mccann of telling lies in his statement; at worst getting rid of Madeleines body. 

You are also libelling Jane Tanner.


What is it, that makes you say all these things with no proof or indications at all?


Tell us your theory, if you have one

Caroline Carpenter. We have no idea what she said as her statement is not in the released files.

Her husband in his statement says she heard someone calling Madeleine softly as they walked home at approx 9.30. Could this have been Gerry or one of his friends looking for Madeleine after discovering she was not in her bed ?

[AnneGuedes]

You are committing libel again by at best accusing Dr Gerry Mccann of telling lies in his statement; at worst getting rid of Madeleines body. 

You are also libelling Jane Tanner.


What is it, that makes you say all these things with no proof or indications at all?


Tell us your theory, if you have one

I'm not libelling, I'm wondering. It's not prohibited to wonder. My wondering has not the power to turn Mr McCann into an abductor nor Ms Tanner into an impostor.

[Redblossom]

Caroline Carpenter. We have no idea what she said as her statement is not in the released files.

Her husband in his statement says she heard someone calling Madeleine softly as they walked home at approx 9.30. Could this have been Gerry or one of his friends looking for Madeleine after discovering she was not in her bed ?

CCs husband saying she heard someone calling for  Madeleine is odd

They left the tapas bar between 9.15 and 9.30


Who would be calling her name and why?

They said they so noone in the road, or at least they didnt see anyone, I originally thought they might have heard Gerry and Jez speaking or Matt and Russell chatting as they went for their check,  so who was calling her name and why
 >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

I'm not libelling, I'm wondering. It's not prohibited to wonder. My wondering has not the power to turn Mr McCann into an abductor nor Ms Tanner into an impostor.

Well said, thoughts  beliefs and opinions and wonderings and thinking are not crimes, ..... just yet, though many want them to be lol