THE FRONT DOOR - WAY IN AND WAY OUT for abductor

[sadie]

For the only walk/drive back to 5A or any of the Tapas 9 apartments using the front way in, one had to enter via the car park entrance from the main road as shown in this photo. 

This is the view of the front door



Can you see it?   LOOK REALLY HARD   

Can you see the front door?  it's right in the middle of the photo

No-one can see it; cos it is recessed back completely out of sight for all the walk across the car park, right from the car park entrance to the open end of the walled paths.  This is the route that everyone has to take  to the centre of the building where starts the end of the paths that radiate out to all the apartments.


This is the view of the front door taken from the very end (dead end) of the walled pathway.  As can be seen the front door is very well recessed back and in the dark.    In this photograph the door well is slightly illuminated by photographers lights, but the whole area is very dark.  Not illuminated, as in Pat Browns photograph.  That search light was fitted much later (in time for Pat Browns photograph?)  And the surrounding trees cut down to give a clear view (for Pat Browns photograph?)



One thing that is not universially understood on the forum, is that as these apartments are built in a slope:-   

The ground of the walled pathway is at a lower level than the ground in the car park.  From memory, by the front door well and bedroom window, the wall is about chest height.    Whilst on the car park, ground is higher up that slope, so the wall is about thigh height.  Therefore Madeleine would have had to be handed UP to bundleman on the car park side of the wall, rather than down.

[Luz]

Really?! 

Maybe I should invite you to come here so you can check with your own two little eyes and walk the walk to really feel the absurdity of some statements that you are taking second or third or whatever hand....

[Luz]

On May, 3 2007 nobody took a child trough a window from the apartment 5A before 22:00 h. That I know a 100%. There are witnesses and if the case ever goes to court they will appear.

[sadie]

Really?! 

Maybe I should invite you to come here so you can check with your own two little eyes and walk the walk to really feel the absurdity of some statements that you are taking second or third or whatever hand....

I've been and walked the walk. 

Please stop the lies.

[Angelo222]

On May, 3 2007 nobody took a child trough a window from the apartment 5A before 22:00 h. That I know a 100%. There are witnesses and if the case ever goes to court they will appear.

That I would love to see.  Witnesses to someone not taking a child though a window.  I've heard it all now!   

[icabodcrane]

That I would love to see.  Witnesses to someone not taking a child though a window.  I've heard it all now!   

I don't understand what you mean

It is perfectly possible for a witness to say something did not happen

Say,  for instance,  the house opposite me was burgled last night,  via the kitchen window

I was sitting in my garden between 9 and 10pm and was looking directly at the house opposite with a clear view of the kitchen window,  and if someone had broken in through it I could not have failed to see them

So,  as a witness,  I can tell the police that the burglary definately did not happen between 9 and 10pm

A witness who can say something definately did NOT occur  is  valuable

[John]

I don't understand what you mean

It is perfectly possible for a witness to say something did not happen

Say,  for instance,  the house opposite me was burgled last night,  via the kitchen window

I was sitting in my garden between 9 and 10pm and was looking directly at the house opposite with a clear view of the kitchen window,  and if someone had broken in through it I could not have failed to see them

So,  as a witness,  I can tell the police that the burglary definately did not happen between 9 and 10pm

A witness who can say something definately did NOT occur  is  valuable

Point is though Icabodcrane, no innocent bystander was sat watching the front bedroom window as it was obscured by trees.  In any event if that had ocurred Senor Amaral would have known about it.

[icabodcrane]

Point is though Icabodcrane, no innocent bystander was sat watching the front bedroom window as it was obscured by trees.  In any event if that had ocurred Senor Amaral would have known about it.

This video library on this forum has a link to the Dispatches  TV programme

In that programme a number of experts visited the McCann apartment and considered the possibility of someone entering the apartment through the window

They pointed out that the window was overlooked  ...  and turned to point out the apartment block directly opposite

They concluded that no-one would try to use the window as a consequence of the visibility

It is perfectly possible that someone was sitting on the balcony of one of those apartments on the  night Madeleine disappeared 

[Carana]

This video library on this forum has a link to the Dispatches  TV programme

In that programme a number of experts visited the McCann apartment and considered the possibility of someone entering the apartment through the window

They pointed out that the window was overlooked  ...  and turned to point out the apartment block directly opposite

They concluded that no-one would try to use the window as a consequence of the visibility

It is perfectly possible that someone was sitting on the balcony of one of those apartments on the  night Madeleine disappeared

- But who are the witnesses that Luz refers to who can definitely exclude it? I have found no statements to that effect in the files.  Indeed, it would have been helpful as it would have excluded the window as a point of entry/exit.

- If "witnesses" had been staring intently at that window for an hour, they should have been thoroughly questioned.

[icabodcrane]

- But who are the witnesses that Luz refers to who can definitely exclude it? I have found no statements to that effect in the files.  Indeed, it would have been helpful as it would have excluded the window as a point of entry/exit.

- If "witnesses" had been staring intently at that window for an hour, they should have been thoroughly questioned.

You don't need to  'stare intently'  at something in your line of vision in order to notice if something happens

As to there being no witness statement from anyone who may have been overlooking the front of the McCann apartment from a balcony opposite,  we are aware that there are a number of witness statements that do not appear to be in the translated files

I am not saying that someone definately  was   sitting on their balcony that night,  and that they would have noticed if someone was breaking into the McCann apartment  ...  I am just saying that it  IS possible

I just don't think that ridiculing Luz is appropriate or supportable in this instance   (  not that I t think ridiculing another is  ever appropriate or supportable  ) 

[sadie]

- But who are the witnesses that Luz refers to who can definitely exclude it? I have found no statements to that effect in the files.  Indeed, it would have been helpful as it would have excluded the window as a point of entry/exit.

- If "witnesses" had been staring intently at that window for an hour, they should have been thoroughly questioned.

THis thread is not about the window, altho the [ censored word ]s will try to swing it.  It is about the FRONT DOOR.  Could you see it?



There has to be some reason why the front door is being totally ignored by the [ censored word ]s and why the window is being promoted.  All the time they go on about the window.

THat front door was completely hidden, out of sight around the corner in a recess, in a place that nobody walked past and nobody overlooked.  NOBODY   NOBODY, at all, walked past or overlooked that front door


To remind the [ censored word ]s/sceptics. 
In the immediate weeks before the abduction there were at least two burglaies in that block.  One in Mrs Fenns, just days before and one in an apartment above Mrs fenns.  In both cases entrance was via the front door, without damage to the door.

[Luz]

I've been and walked the walk. 

Please stop the lies.

It's you that is lying. I've only allowed myself to exaggerate the distance between OC and the front door of 5A, just to make you reflect that there was no way  the children could be within hearing distance from where their parents allegedly were dining.

But you post here all sorts of "crap" and don't have any sort of ethical or moral worries for the fact that your lies are detrimental for other persons images

If as you say you have been here you know you are just propagating the lies the McTeam have been feeding the UK media for so many years. You sound worse than their appointed PR, but at least he (they) was being payed to fabricate  all the falsehoods the Brit journos have been feeding the innocent people, in order to get into their pockets under the false pretense they were looking for their child. 

So it's you and your acolytes that should stop lying. As Britons you should be ashamed to help cover up the demise of a poor 3 year old innocent child, just because you have been fed that the parents were "nice people". If they were nice people they wouldn't have boycotted the search for their daughter - for me they are as good as those assassins that kill innocent people to rob them.

Your continuous argumentation that the investigation in Portugal was....I refuse to use the terms you apply...it's just to obfuscate the fact that both the family, friends and even the UK authorities were the main responsible for the necessary archiving of the process.

The McCann spent about 2 years saying they wanted (yeah, sure!!!!) a review of the process but they never asked for a re-opening of the investigation (which they could have done at any time just voluntarying to co-operate with the portuguese authorities), and despite the folklore the SY has been making on the media the fact is that they are further back than the PJ was when the case was archived.

If you care for the McCann, tell them to free themselves and to tell the truth - maybe they are innocent, but as it is they sure as hell look more guilty than Casey Anthony.

[John]

This video library on this forum has a link to the Dispatches  TV programme

In that programme a number of experts visited the McCann apartment and considered the possibility of someone entering the apartment through the window

They pointed out that the window was overlooked  ...  and turned to point out the apartment block directly opposite

They concluded that no-one would try to use the window as a consequence of the visibility

It is perfectly possible that someone was sitting on the balcony of one of those apartments on the  night Madeleine disappeared

Back in 2007 the childrens bedroom window could not be seen from across the road because of overhanging tree branches.  These trees have since been removed in order to improve security.

PS. Sorry Sadie.  I know this thread is about the hidden door but I cannot allow a non truth to go unchallenged re the visibility of the window.

[Benice]

THis thread is not about the window, altho the [ censored word ]s will try to swing it.  It is about the FRONT DOOR.  Could you see it?



There has to be some reason why the front door is being totally ignored by the [ censored word ]s and why the window is being promoted.  All the time they go on about the window.

THat front door was completely hidden, out of sight around the corner in a recess, in a place that nobody walked past and nobody overlooked.  NOBODY   NOBODY, at all, walked past or overlooked that front door


To remind the [ censored word ]s/sceptics. 
In the immediate weeks before the abduction there were at least two burglaies in that block.  One in Mrs Fenns, just days before and one in an apartment above Mrs fenns.  In both cases entrance was via the front door, without damage to the door.

There is also the evidence from the six (?) British families who came forward to the UK police to report sexual assaults on their children in their beds - all whilst they were on holiday and all within a few miles of PdL - where no sign of a break in was evident.   Therefore it's not unreasonable to assume that obtaining keys was not a problem for the would-be intruder.   

At first Amaral himself listed 'entry via the front door with a stolen key' as a possibility, but then apparently shelved the idea.     One can only speculate as to why.

[icabodcrane]

Back in 2007 the childrens bedroom window could not be seen from across the road because of overhanging tree branches.  These trees have since been removed in order to improve security.

PS. Sorry Sadie.  I know this thread is about the hidden door but I cannot allow a non truth to go unchallenged re the visibility of the window.

But John,  the Despatches programme was filmed in October 2007,  just five months after the disappearance

Have you watched the programme  ?  ...  please do  (  it's on page 3 of the video library )
 
Fast forward to 2.30,  and you will see that the front of the McCann's apartment was very visible  from the apartment block opposite.   That is why the experts in the programme concluded that an intruder would not try to enter that way