THE FRONT DOOR - WAY IN AND WAY OUT for abductor

[John]

There is also the evidence from the six (?) British families who came forward to the UK police to report sexual assaults on their children in their beds - all whilst they were on holiday and all within a few miles of PdL - where no sign of a break in was evident.   Therefore it's not unreasonable to assume that obtaining keys was not a problem for the would-be intruder.   

At first Amaral himself listed 'entry via the front door with a stolen key' as a possibility, but then apparently shelved the idea.     One can only speculate as to why.

The fool was right the first time but changed the game plan when he thought that the forensics had done for the McCanns.

[stephen25000]

The fool was right the first time but changed the game plan when he thought that the forensics had done for the McCanns.

'The fool was right'.

Lovely.

Just to remind, if need be, it was the view of the PJ that the Mccanns were involved in Madeleine's disappearance, not just him.

A further reminder if need be, it was the UK police who told the PJ  to investigate the Mccanns.

Another myth to dispel yet again. Madeleine was searched for extensively, but no traces forensically or otherwise were found.

[John]

But John,  the Despatches programme was filmed in October 2007,  just five months after the disappearance

Have you watched the programme  ?  ...  please do  (  it's on page 3 of the video library )
 
Fast forward to 2.30,  and you will see that the front of the McCann's apartment was very visible  from the apartment block opposite.   That is why the experts in the programme concluded that an intruder would not try to enter that way

I have had a look Icabodcrane and yes the front of apt 5a was visible from street level but the trees would have obscured vision for someone at a higher level.

[icabodcrane]

I have had a look Icabodcrane and yes the front of apt 5a was visible from street level but the trees would have obscured vision for someone at a higher level.

Then you are odds with those very able experts  who were there and came to the opposite conclusion

[faithlilly]

THis thread is not about the window, altho the [ censored word ]s will try to swing it.  It is about the FRONT DOOR.  Could you see it?



There has to be some reason why the front door is being totally ignored by the [ censored word ]s and why the window is being promoted.  All the time they go on about the window.

THat front door was completely hidden, out of sight around the corner in a recess, in a place that nobody walked past and nobody overlooked.  NOBODY   NOBODY, at all, walked past or overlooked that front door


To remind the [ censored word ]s/sceptics. 
In the immediate weeks before the abduction there were at least two burglaies in that block.  One in Mrs Fenns, just days before and one in an apartment above Mrs fenns.  In both cases entrance was via the front door, without damage to the door.

Didn't Mrs Fenn catch her burglar climbing through the window ?

[AnneGuedes]

There is also the evidence from the six (?) British families who came forward to the UK police to report sexual assaults on their children in their beds - all whilst they were on holiday and all within a few miles of PdL - where no sign of a break in was evident.   

Here again propagating disinformation, Benice. This is triple hearsay (somebody told a tour operator who told the consul who told Mrs McCann). Without a source this is disinformation. When some guest for a night abuses hospitality, it's rare people admit lack of discernment by calling the police.

[AnneGuedes]

Didn't Mrs Fenn catch her burglar climbing through the window ?

Yes and I always wondered whether he jumped on the 5A's balcony to flee away.

[sadie]

I have had a look Icabodcrane and yes the front of apt 5a was visible from street level but the trees would have obscured vision for someone at a higher level.

Agreed, John, at the car park entrance, but only glimpses otherwise.  Twas very gusty (20mph gusts) and the trees would have been waving around quite vigorously   

The land was rising in a Northerly direction and the opposite blocks were well raised relative to OC.  No views from the flats opposite until the Pat Brown Fiasco.  I had a good look.

[Carana]

THis thread is not about the window, altho the [ censored word ]s will try to swing it.  It is about the FRONT DOOR.  Could you see it?



There has to be some reason why the front door is being totally ignored by the [ censored word ]s and why the window is being promoted.  All the time they go on about the window.

THat front door was completely hidden, out of sight around the corner in a recess, in a place that nobody walked past and nobody overlooked.  NOBODY   NOBODY, at all, walked past or overlooked that front door


To remind the [ censored word ]s/sceptics. 
In the immediate weeks before the abduction there were at least two burglaies in that block.  One in Mrs Fenns, just days before and one in an apartment above Mrs fenns.  In both cases entrance was via the front door, without damage to the door.

I find the whole thing most odd, Sadie.

The family did initially assume that someone must have entered (and possibly exited via the window) as Kate and Gerry stated that the shutter and window were found open.

Fine, that was their apparent initial impression and it needed to be checked out. If that turned not to be feasible, then there were the two other points of entry. I haven't found the results of the police reconstruction attempting to get in/out of the window, so I've no idea whether that was deemed feasible in the end or not.

I don't totally discard any of the possibilities (and someone could have gone in one way and out the other), but the front door seems an obvious choice. Crouching slightly to get in via the patio door would seem feasible, but to then carry out a child via that way seems hugely risky.

[sadie]

Didn't Mrs Fenn catch her burglar climbing through the window ?

Yep ...  going out and she reputedly helped push hime.  He came in via the locked front door

[faithlilly]

Yep ...  going out and she reputedly helped push hime.  He came in via the locked front door

Cite please ?

[Carana]

Didn't Mrs Fenn catch her burglar climbing through the window ?

As far as I know, that supposed detail was in an Express (or other tabloid) article at the time and may not be true.

That she had been burgled the week before is in her statement.

[Benice]

Here again propagating disinformation, Benice. This is triple hearsay (somebody told a tour operator who told the consul who told Mrs McCann). Without a source this is disinformation. When some guest for a night abuses hospitality, it's rare people admit lack of discernment by calling the police.

No Anne the British Consul told Kate about these occurrences which IIRC were discussed at what were regular meetings with tour operators which he attended.    There is no way Kate is going to fill pages of her book with downright lies about the British Consul or about the Leicesteshire police - to whom those parents came forward.  Neither is she going to lie about the crimes being reported to the GNR - when she would know that if they didn't happen they would be able to prove it.

If what she said is not true then she would be exposing herself to the British Consul, the UK Polce and the GNR as a massive liar!!    Anyone who thinks she would be so stupid as to do that, in writing in a book, knowing what the consequences to herself would be - is living in cloud cuckoo land.   

[AnneGuedes]

No Anne the British Consul told Kate about these occurrences which IIRC were discussed at what were regular meetings with tour operators which he attended.    There is no way Kate is going to fill pages of her book with downright lies about the British Consul or about the Leicesteshire police - to whom those parents came forward.  Neither is she going to lie about the crimes being reported to the GNR - when she would know that if they didn't happen they would be able to prove it.

If what she said is not true then she would be exposing herself to the British Consul, the UK Polce and the GNR as a massive liar!!    Anyone who thinks she would be so stupid as to do that, in writing in a book, knowing what the consequences to herself would be - is living in cloud cuckoo land.   

The British consul is no more in charge and why would the GNR officers read "Madeleine" ? Mrs McCann is so vague that denying wouldn't be difficult : Ah, X told me, I thought he meant, etc.
There's no Portuguese file about this and on this forum we've insisted on the basic necessity to refer to official files.
You can argue that Mrs McCann heard that..., but repeating triple hearsay as if it were a fact isn't acceptable.
I really doubt that the LC would have sent its files to the McCanns.

[Benice]

The British consul is no more in charge and why would the GNR officers read "Madeleine" ? Mrs McCann is so vague that denying wouldn't be difficult : Ah, X told me, I thought he meant, etc.
There's no Portuguese file about this and on this forum we've insisted on the basic necessity to refer to official files.
You can argue that Mrs McCann heard that..., but repeating triple hearsay as if it were a fact isn't acceptable.
I really doubt that the LC would have sent its files to the McCanns.

Kate states in her book that she read these reports of abuse of British childen in the files.   If you think she would so publically lie about that knowing it would expose her to the police as a huge liar  -  then that's your prerogative.    However, IMO such a belief can only be sustained if all semblance of common sense, logic and reasoned thought is removed from the equation and we accept that Kate McCann is a brain dead idiot.