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Offline Carana

Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2013, 01:34:52 PM »
No it is a myth, there is no proof it was a coconut shell.

You haven't caught up with the concept of when something IS something and when something APPEARS to be something.

I repeat there is no firm evidential proof that it was coconut.

That account was on the basis of what a tehcnician THOUGHT the piece of bone looked like, and contained no scientific evidence to support that appearance. Also the technician admitted and as i have evidenced, and indeed she stated that it could equally be bone.

The bottom line, from reading Lenny Harper's testimony and evidence was she didn't have a clue what it was.

Keep up man!

From the Wiltshire report:


5.6.20 X (ORAU) reported that the Jersey sample only had 0.6 % N. Ordinarily this is too low to yield extractable collagen of any quality. Despite our concerns, X requested that a fuller chemical treatment be undertaken, in an attempt to produce a result, but although some material was extracted it was demonstrably not collagenous based on the analysis of the texture of the material, the C:N atomic ratios and the similarly significant lack of nitrogen, so the sample was formally failed and the States of Jersey Police notified.

5.6.21 A further analysis of the bone sample later the following week by
X and X (British Museum faunal specialist and one of our collaborators in work undertaken in the ORAU) concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost certainly wood.



http://www.gov.je/Government/Pages/StatesReports.aspx?ReportID=561

Redblossom

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Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2013, 03:20:14 PM »
Daily Mail doesnt count Carana
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Offline Benice

Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2013, 04:08:08 PM »
And neither does Blacksmith

The Wiltshire Report does though.

5.6.20 X (ORAU) reported that the Jersey sample only had 0.6 % N. Ordinarily this is too low to yield extractable collagen of any quality. Despite our concerns, X requested that a fuller chemical treatment be undertaken, in an attempt to produce a result, but although some material was extracted it was demonstrably not collagenous based on the analysis of the texture of the material, the C:N atomic ratios and the similarly significant lack of nitrogen, so the sample was formally failed and the States of Jersey Police notified.

5.6.21 A further analysis of the bone sample later the following week by
X and X (British Museum faunal specialist and one of our collaborators in work undertaken in the ORAU) concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost certainly wood.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2013, 04:29:31 PM »
And neither does Blacksmith

Whats Blacksmith got to do with his.
Nothing
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Redblossom

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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2013, 04:31:59 PM »
The Wiltshire Report does though.

5.6.20 X (ORAU) reported that the Jersey sample only had 0.6 % N. Ordinarily this is too low to yield extractable collagen of any quality. Despite our concerns, X requested that a fuller chemical treatment be undertaken, in an attempt to produce a result, but although some material was extracted it was demonstrably not collagenous based on the analysis of the texture of the material, the C:N atomic ratios and the similarly significant lack of nitrogen, so the sample was formally failed and the States of Jersey Police notified.

5.6.21 A further analysis of the bone sample later the following week by
X and X (British Museum faunal specialist and one of our collaborators in work undertaken in the ORAU) concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost certainly wood.

Thats that then, the jersey abusers were murdering trees, well done

But the trees happened to have  childrens milk teeth, possible I suppose in some peoples minds

Offline Albertini

Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2013, 05:08:50 PM »
Thats that then, the jersey abusers were murdering trees, well done

But the trees happened to have  childrens milk teeth, possible I suppose in some peoples minds

Yes as Lenny Harper says:

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood. Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human. However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones as identified by one of the builders. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.

And in relation to the canine searches:

Getting ready. I was reluctant to let the dog inside as I did not feel that it would do much good. In truth, I was a little sceptical – I had not felt a favourable impression from the handler (Martin Grimes) at our initial meeting and I was dubious, although my opinion of his qualities and integrity was to markedly change as events unfolded. I began to realise as I worked closely with him over a period of months that what I originally took as arrogance was simply supreme confidence in the ability of his dogs in the face of jealous, empire protecting rivals who were not as professionally capable. Throughout the investigation, we subjected Martin and his dogs to many ‘verifying’ tests, from burying swabs in sand (which he always found no matter how large an area), to minute blood stains. The dogs never failed. Many of these tests were carried out in front of Jersey politicians and media, including Channel Television and Diane Simon of the JEP. Frank Walker and Andrew Lewis were only two of the politicians who witnessed the ability of the dogs in hugely impressive displays. Funny how they all forgot this when they jumped on the bandwagon which sought to ruin Martin Grime’s reputation. One of the most spectacular exercises occurred when one of the Anthropologists brought a vial of sand back that she had removed from the tomb of a mummy in Egypt. We put this vial on a beach, below the sand, and let Eddie off to look for it. The dog amazingly sought it out in a few minutes and gave us the reaction you will see in this video. To get back to the start of the video and my initial doubts, after a few days outside I had at least gained a grudging respect for Martin’s hard work and dedication. I still was not keen to extend the search inside the house with the dog; however, I reluctantly conceded that we should look at all our possibilities so that we could walk away and say that we had given it a good shot. You can see me standing looking less than confident.

From here:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html

Offline faithlilly

Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2013, 06:50:19 PM »
Thats that then, the jersey abusers were murdering trees, well done

But the trees happened to have  childrens milk teeth, possible I suppose in some peoples minds

Not even possible, probable in the world inhabited by your average McCann support !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Redblossom

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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2013, 07:00:28 PM »
Albertini and Faith, its plain for anyone to see the jersey abuse scandal was covered up and this is from a non conspiratory person

ferryman

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Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2013, 07:08:13 PM »
 plain for anyone to see

These blinkers do funny things to some people's sight ...

AnneGuedes

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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2013, 07:08:23 PM »
Albertini and Faith, its plain for anyone to see the jersey abuse scandal was covered up and this is from a non conspiratory person
The Jersey abuse scandal is used to discredit MG and Joana to discredit GA. This is what turns believers' faith rather unbearable.

Rachel Granada

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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2013, 07:11:25 PM »
The Jersey abuse scandal is used to discredit MG and Joana to discredit GA. This is what turns believers' faith rather unbearable.

Salut Anne.  I think "Big Rock" did rather a good job of discrediting himself.

Redblossom

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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2013, 07:17:29 PM »
plain for anyone to see

These blinkers do funny things to some people's sight ...

you should know

Redblossom

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Re: Reconstructions ...
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2013, 07:19:26 PM »
The Jersey abuse scandal is used to discredit MG and Joana to discredit GA. This is what turns believers' faith rather unbearable.

Exactly, the abuse and deaths of others used to sanctify the mccanns,  pretty disgusting by anyones book

ferryman

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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2013, 07:24:53 PM »
Exactly, the abuse and deaths of others used to sanctify the mccanns,  pretty disgusting by anyones book

Martin Grime's reputation was shot by the Madeleine enquiry.

The Portuguese may not have seen cadaver dogs before, but they certainly knew about sniffer dogs, and the Portuguese handlers who first searched for Madeleine were much more professional than Grime.

In their report, for example, is a reference to the possibility of preconceived notions biasing a handler's work and a precaution against that.