Hindsight: Some posters just cannot get their heads around the concept.

[sadie]

As a brief reminder.............................

'They were TOLD by Warner's that the layout did not lend itself to a listening service. They were TOLD there was a free evening creche, manned by trained workers. They were TOLD there was a babysitting service, if they required it. They were TOLD they could not book ahead for the Tapas'

So who is to blame ?

Yes you've guessed it, the MCCANNS.

Oh Stephen you would blame The Mccanns if The houses of Parliament blew up.  Guess you cant help it.  You are quite a lot like Tony Bennett in some ways, with your mind totally one track and in a deep groove.  Don't thinkm he can help it either.

.... but he does show his considerable intellect and you dont usually.  I feel sure you have some hidden away? 

There has been some improvement with the needle in the groove recently tho.  Well done

[faithlilly]

Oh Stephen you would blame The Mccanns if The houses of Parliament blew up.  Guess you cant help it.  You are quite a lot like Tony Bennett in some ways, with your mind totally one track and in a deep groove.  Don't thinkm he can help it either.

.... but he does show his considerable intellect and you dont usually.  I feel sure you have some hidden away? 

There has been some improvement with the needle in the groove recently tho.  Well done

Pot, kettle and black sadie 

[stephen25000]

Oh Stephen you would blame The Mccanns if The houses of Parliament blew up.  Guess you cant help it.  You are quite a lot like Tony Bennett in some ways, with your mind totally one track and in a deep groove.  Don't thinkm he can help it either.

.... but he does show his considerable intellect and you dont usually.  I feel sure you have some hidden away? 

There has been some improvement with the needle in the groove recently tho.  Well done

You can't answer those points, merely reply with rhetoric.

Hardly a distinguishing mark of intelligence.

So first try answering the points raised.

[Mo Stache]

You can't answer those points, merely reply with rhetoric.

Hardly a distinguishing mark of intelligence.

So first try answering the points raised.

You demand the points raised be answered yet you elect not to answer those I direct at you?

[stephen25000]

Can you guarantee 100% that if the McCann's had opted for a sitter or the creche she wouldn't have been abducted/gone missing?
Or do you think it is quite possible that if someone had ordered her abduction, that they would have 'obtained' her whatever the measures taken?
It would have made the task difficult but not impossible.

Answer my points first, then I'll answer yours.

[sadie]

Pot, kettle and black sadie 

The difference between me and either Tony Bennett or Stephen iis

1) I am not constantly running down, trying to find fault with, or destroying the Mccanns and the evidence surrounding the case ... nor twisting peoples words and facts.  I make mistakes but unlike you, I admit them if I find them to be incorrect.  I also have the ability to apologise when I am wrong

2)  that I am thinking constantly and trying new thoughts out, in order to try and find out what happened.  And I truly want to hear your views, your theories.  There might be something useful there >@@(*&) ... maybe? 

If you provide any genuine facts, I will look at them and see if they are feasible and how they slot in.  If they do.  Nothing has been presented by you [ censored word] yet ... and we have been going several months.  I live in hope.

[stephen25000]

 

The difference between me and either Tony Bennett or Stephen iis

1) I am not constantly running down, trying to find fault with, or destroying the Mccanns and the evidence surrounding the case ... nor twisting peoples words and facts.  I make mistakes but unlike you, I admit them if I find them to be incorrect.  I also have the ability to apologise when I am wrong

2)  that I am thinking constantly and trying new thoughts out, in order to try and find out what happened.  And I truly want to hear your views, your theories.  There might be something useful there >@@(*&) ... maybe? 

If you provide any genuine facts, I will look at them and see if they are feasible and how they slot in.  If they do.  Nothing has been presented by you [ censored word] yet ... and we have been going 6 months.  I live in hope.

[sadie]

As a brief reminder.............................

'They were TOLD by Warner's that the layout did not lend itself to a listening service. They were TOLD there was a free evening creche, manned by trained workers. They were TOLD there was a babysitting service, if they required it. They were TOLD they could not book ahead for the Tapas'

So who is to blame ?

Yes you've guessed it, the MCCANNS.

Well I would not leave my childrenn with someone I didn't know after dark in a foreign country.  Much greater chance of interference with the child in those circumstances.  What the Mccanns did should have been ok.  It was far better than what was standard practice all over the world.  A stranger coming round approx every half hour and listening at the window.

[stephen25000]

Well I would not leave my childrenn with someone I didn't know after dark in a foreign country.  Much greater chance of interference with the child in those circumstances.  What the Mccanns did should have been ok.  It was far better than what was standard practice all over the world.  A stranger coming round approx every half hour and listening at the window.

Rubbish.

[Redblossom]

Well I would not leave my childrenn with someone I didn't know after dark in a foreign country.  Much greater chance of interference with the child in those circumstances.  What the Mccanns did should have been ok.  It was far better than what was standard practice all over the world.  A stranger coming round approx every half hour and listening at the window.

So you think it was possible that the female vetted teenage nannies that looked after them all day would turn into monsters at night when babysitting? Right.

 

And if you offer that as a fear of theirs, why did they have no fear of any stranger entering their unlocked apartment night after night? or anything else happening to the kids whilst they dined away and would have no idea whatsoever of anything occurring between so called checks.  Fuzzy logic.
The odds of a young female vetted trained nanny interfering with your kids is almost off the radar whereas an enormous amount of other things going wrong leaving toddlers on their own is massive compared



Edited for afterthoughts

[stephen25000]

So you think it was possible that the female vetted teenage nannies that looked after them all day would turn into monsters at night when babysitting? Right.

 

And if you offer that as a fear of theirs, why did they have no fear of any stranger entering their unlocked apartment night after night? or anything else happening to the kids whilst they dined away and would have no idea whatsoever of anything occurring between so called checks.  Fuzzy logic.

Exactly the point Redblossom.

It defies all rational thought.

[Redblossom]

Exactly the point Redblossom.

It defies all rational thought.

Yup, it does. Theres only so much benefit of the doubt one can give sometimes without it getting patently ridiculous.

[Benice]

Yup, it does. Theres only so much benefit of the doubt one can give sometimes without it getting patently ridiculous.

Well I wouldn't have a babysitter who I'd only just met briefly - and did not know personally - and leave them alone in my home with my children for hours.  No matter what their profession was  - they would still be virtual strangers.

[stephen25000]

Well I wouldn't have a babysitter who I'd only just met briefly - and did not know personally - and leave them alone in my home with my children for hours.  No matter what their profession was  - they would still be virtual strangers.

So why was it OK at the creche ?

A question which has been asked so many, many times.

[Redblossom]

Well I wouldn't have a babysitter who I'd only just met briefly - and did not know personally - and leave them alone in my home with my children for hours.  No matter what their profession was  - they would still be virtual strangers.

oh I see, you would though take the risk of a total stranger invading your property? In your absence with your kids on their own
 8-)(--)


Floundering benice

So all the people who used babysitters and  the night creche at the Ocean Club must be irresponsible  parents leaving their kids with female nannies who could  potentially assault them, like its a regular common occurrence, or abduct them and  the mccanns were responsible and careful parents by not using them? Or anyone, or even bothering to secure their flat. Pull the other one.
Heard enough here. Done!