Hindsight: Some posters just cannot get their heads around the concept.

[Benice]

oh I see, you would though take the risk of a total stranger invading your property? In your absence with your kids on their own
 8-)(--)


Floundering benice

So all the people who used babysitters and  the night creche at the Ocean Club must be irresponsible  parents leaving their kids with female nannies who could  potentially assault them, like its a regular common occurrence, or abduct them and  the mccanns were responsible and careful parents by not using them? Or anyone, or even bothering to secure their flat. Pull the other one.
Heard enough here. Done!

What other people do is not my business.   I personally would not entertain leaving a virtual stranger in my home alone for hours with my children.   The only people who babysat for me was my Mum or my best friend who I had known for years.   

[AnneGuedes]

In most cases of child abuse, family members or close to family are the perpetrators, not nannies. The (Bette Davis) Nanny is fiction..

[Benice]

In most cases of child abuse, family members or close to family are the perpetrators, not nannies. The (Bette Davis) Nanny is fiction..

Yes that is true Anne - but not in the case of my mum or my friend.    If anyone wants to invite someone into their home who they have only just met and probably only briefly passed the time of day with - and entrust their children to them  - then that is their business.    But I would not do it.

[Mo Stache]

In most cases of child abuse, family members or close to family are the perpetrators, not nannies. The (Bette Davis) Nanny is fiction..

Anne. Do yourselve a favour and google - child abuse by nannies.

[Redblossom]

What other people do is not my business.   I personally would not entertain leaving a virtual stranger in my home alone for hours with my children.   The only people who babysat for me was my Mum or my best friend who I had known for years.

Its not about you, its about ocean club tourists who though it better to use proper child minding  services than leave their kids fate to the wind.

[Chinagirl]

So why was it OK at the creche ?

A question which has been asked so many, many times.

And which has been answered many, many times.  The crèche was in a public area with other people and children around.  Doesn't apply in a babysitting situation.

I would have done exactly the same as the McCanns - crèche OK in the daytime along with other chikldren and adults; my own listening service in the evenings.

[sadie]

Well I wouldn't have a babysitter who I'd only just met briefly - and did not know personally - and leave them alone in my home with my children for hours.  No matter what their profession was  - they would still be virtual strangers.

And which has been answered many, many times.  The crèche was in a public area with other people and children around.  Doesn't apply in a babysitting situation.

I would have done exactly the same as the McCanns - crèche OK in the daytime along with other chikldren and adults; my own listening service in the evenings.

  for both the responses.  My feelings exactly.

[AnneGuedes]

Yes that is true Anne - but not in the case of my mum or my friend.    If anyone wants to invite someone into their home who they have only just met and probably only briefly passed the time of day with - and entrust their children to them  - then that is their business.    But I would not do it.

If you open the door of the sheepfold to the wolf, you can hardly cry wolf when he takes one sheep. Remember the British families..
But the nannies weren't somebody you invite for a drink, they would be paid for sitting in the lounge just in case one child would call.

[sadie]

If you open the door of the sheepfold to the wolf, you can hardly cry wolf when he takes one sheep. Remember the British families..
But the nannies weren't somebody you invite for a drink, they would be paid for sitting in the lounge just in case one child would call.

dont understand what you are getting at with the first line Anne, sorry  Having reread it, I do understand it now.
Abductors are not wild animals Anne.  They are human (sort of) and The Mccanns left any parts of the apartment that were out of sight locked ... unless the cleaners had unlocked them without the Mccanns knowledge

So I take it that you are saying that it was the Mccanns fault that someone entered their apartment and stole their child?

Even tho it is almost certain that entrance and exit were via the locked front door?  Cos the only unlocked place was within their vision and hearing range. 


Amaral, himself said that no abductor would risk going in that way, when the parents were only 50 metres away.  Are you diagreeing with him?
But I agree totally with Benice

Yes that is true Anne - but not in the case of my mum or my friend.    If anyone wants to invite someone into their home who they have only just met and probably only briefly passed the time of day with - and entrust their children to them  - then that is their business.    But I would not do it.

[stephen25000]

dont understand what you are getting at with the first line Anne, sorry

But I agree totally with Benice

Now I wonder how many people there did take advantage of the offer of babysitting facilities there at the complex.

Wow, they must have been terribly irresponsible.

P.S. Now that is sarcasm.

[sadie]

Bumped cos I have substantially alterd it. 
Sorry Stephen but I cant be bothered to answer your comments of little substance. 

dont understand what you are getting at with the first line Anne, sorry  Having reread it, I do understand it now.
Abductors are not wild animals Anne.  They are human (sort of) and The Mccanns left any parts of the apartment that were out of sight locked ... unless the cleaners had unlocked them without the Mccanns knowledge

So I take it that you are saying that it was the Mccanns fault that someone entered their apartment and stole their child?

Even tho it is almost certain that entrance and exit were via the locked front door?  Cos the only unlocked place was within their vision and hearing range. 


Amaral, himself said that no abductor would risk going in that way, when the parents were only 50 metres away.  Are you diagreeing with him?
But I agree totally with Benice

[Redblossom]

And which has been answered many, many times.  The crèche was in a public area with other people and children around.  Doesn't apply in a babysitting situation.

I would have done exactly the same as the McCanns - crèche OK in the daytime along with other chikldren and adults; my own listening service in the evenings.

Sure you would. You would leave your three babies on their own without any qualms or any worries whatsoever where youcouldnt see or hear them for at least 30 minute  stretches and dine and wine in peace knowing theyare always OK.Would you also leave the back door open?


Do people in China do this? Or is it just a British cultural thing LOL

[AnneGuedes]

Sure you would. You would leave your three babies on their own without any qualms or any worries whatsoever where youcouldnt see or hear them for at least 30 minute  stretches and dine and wine in peace knowing theyare always OK.Would you also leave the back door open?


Do people in China do this? Or is it just a British cultural thing LOL

Neither Chinagirl nor Benice would leave the back door open, for sure. They would go the longest way which had an advantage : they could hear the three windows in the same time. Nobody on this forum ignores it doesn't make sense pretending that the open patio door allowed  Madeleine to go out and find her parents. She didn't know where they were ! They didn't tell her the truth and, after she said "where were you?" (meaning you weren't at home), they didn't answer her. They should have, Madeleine's remark had no other reasonable meaning.

[puglove]

What troubles me is...when you pluck a sleeping child from it's bed, it stirs and moves. You can't carry that child far on outstretched arms, with it's head and legs dangling. My grandaugter (3 years and one week) was so knackered today after being at a fair all day, she was practically comatose, but when my husband tried to transfer her from our bed to her's, she stirred, and wriggled and cried a bit. She was exhausted, but she knew she was being disturbed and moved. Maddie obviously didn't sleep well, she had a star chart, so I'm beginning to wonder if she was that little body being carried away?

[sadie]

Neither Chinagirl nor Benice would leave the back door open, for sure. They would go the longest way which had an advantage : they could hear the three windows in the same time. Nobody on this forum ignores it doesn't make sense pretending that the open patio door allowed  Madeleine to go out and find her parents. She didn't know where they were ! They didn't tell her the truth and, after she said "where were you?" (meaning you weren't at home), they didn't answer her. They should have, Madeleine's remark had no other reasonable meaning.

How do you they didn't answer her?  How do you know they didn't tell her exactly where they were?  How do you know they didn't tell her the truth

Making things up there Anne.  It isn't nice to do that and keep, loading more and more myths and trouble on the Mccanns shoulders.

Shame on you

We quite often used to leave our back door open and the side gate open when we were in our garden 50 metres away