Hindsight: Some posters just cannot get their heads around the concept.

[stephen25000]

How do you they didn't answer her?  How do you know they didn't tell her exactly where they were?  How do you know they didn't tell her the truth

Making things up there Anne.  It isn't nice to do that and keep, loading more and more myths and trouble on the Mccanns shoulders.

Shame on you

We quite often used to leave our back door open and the side gate open when we were in our garden 50 metres away

How do you know they told the truth ?

I know, faith. >@@(*&)

[faithlilly]

How do you they didn't answer her?  How do you know they didn't tell her exactly where they were?  How do you know they didn't tell her the truth

Making things up there Anne.  It isn't nice to do that and keep, loading more and more myths and trouble on the Mccanns shoulders.

Shame on you

We quite often used to leave our back door open and the side gate open when we were in our garden 50 metres away

We know they didn't tell Madeleine sadie because no child that small would go to bed willingly if they thought they were being left alone in a dark, unfamiliar apartment.

[sadie]

We know they didn't tell Madeleine sadie because no child that small would go to bed willingly if they thought they were being left alone in a dark, unfamiliar apartment.

Pure guesswork.  Kate and Gerry more probaly told her exactly where they were ... just 50 metres away.... in  a place that Madeleine was familiar with.

I have found Kate amazingly honourable and honest.  She has admitted to failings that others would hide.

 Everyone has failings ... even you, faith.  But you NEVER admit to them




Now, are you still pushing that ?bundleman went west (the Smiths sighting) or are you going to put your hand up and acknowledge that, almost without doubt, you were wrong? 

Even Anne tried to put you right on that one, but you persisted.

Come on, faith, grasp the nettle.  Let's see a bit of your honour

[stephen25000]

Pure guesswork.  Kate and Gerry more probaly told her exactly where they were ... just 50 metres away.... in  a place that Madeleine was familiar with.

I have found Kate amazingly honourable and honest.  She has admitted to failings that others would hide.

 Everyone has failings ... even you, faith.  But you NEVER admit to them




Now, are you still pushing that ?bundleman went west (the Smiths sighting) or are you going to put your hand up and acknowledge that, almost without doubt, you were wrong? 

Even Anne tried to put you right on that one, but you persisted.

Come on, faith, grasp the nettle.  Let's see a bit of your honour

Your fantasies are getting a trite boring.

[sadie]

Your fantasies are getting a trite boring.

Well I cant outclass you Stephen for boring posts.

Yours are so predictable, altho improving a little recently.  Well done!

[Redblossom]

Pure guesswork.  Kate and Gerry more probaly told her exactly where they were ... just 50 metres away.... in  a place that Madeleine was familiar with.

Really? is that why she asked

Q: Tell me what happened, that morning... what Madeleine said.
 
Kate McCann: Well, I... I can't remember if we'd just had breakfast, it was rou... it was, sort of, fairly early in the morning and she just very casually, really, said: (mimics Madeleine's voice) 'Where were you last night, when me and Sean cried?' and we immediately looked and said, you know: 'When was this, Madeleine? Was this when you were going to sleep?' and she didn't answer and then she just carried on playing, totally undistressed.
 
Q: But did she tell you off when she was saying it?
 
Kate McCann: No. It was a passing remark, you know, and...
 
Gerry McCann: Madeleine's very articulate and, errr... for her age, and, errm... you know, it's unlike her, if she's got something to say, to drop it. She just did... literally, dropped it, errm... and we both, kind of, looked at each other and said: 'Was it when we had just put them down?'
 
Kate McCann: We obviously told the police because we thought 'does this indicate that someone's been round the night before?' and that's what's woken her up; which is significant, you know... you know, I've... you know, I've persecuted myself over and over again about that statement because you think 'Why didn't I, kind of, just hold her and say 'What d'you mean? What d'you mean?,' you know, 'What d'you mean you woke up?,' you know, and, kind of... but, you don't think that. I mean, it's easy saying that after what's happened...
 
Gerry McCann: I think the worst thing is, we, kind of, almost thought about not going and, errm... and did. We weren't sure we were going to get into the Tapas, (to Kate) remember? And, errm...
 
Kate McCann: In fact, we were all...
 
Gerry McCann: But, you know...
 
Kate McCann: ...we were all going to go up to the Millennium again, that was... with the kids, which is what we did the first night. It was just, errm... it was just 'cause the walk was so long and we didn't have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought... we... we were... we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.

[sadie]

Really? is that why she asked

Q: Tell me what happened, that morning... what Madeleine said.
 
Kate McCann: Well, I... I can't remember if we'd just had breakfast, it was rou... it was, sort of, fairly early in the morning and she just very casually, really, said: (mimics Madeleine's voice) 'Where were you last night, when me and Sean cried?' and we immediately looked and said, you know: 'When was this, Madeleine? Was this when you were going to sleep?' and she didn't answer and then she just carried on playing, totally undistressed.
 
Q: But did she tell you off when she was saying it?
 
Kate McCann: No. It was a passing remark, you know, and...
 
Gerry McCann: Madeleine's very articulate and, errr... for her age, and, errm... you know, it's unlike her, if she's got something to say, to drop it. She just did... literally, dropped it, errm... and we both, kind of, looked at each other and said: 'Was it when we had just put them down?'
 
Kate McCann: We obviously told the police because we thought 'does this indicate that someone's been round the night before?' and that's what's woken her up; which is significant, you know... you know, I've... you know, I've persecuted myself over and over again about that statement because you think 'Why didn't I, kind of, just hold her and say 'What d'you mean? What d'you mean?,' you know, 'What d'you mean you woke up?,' you know, and, kind of... but, you don't think that. I mean, it's easy saying that after what's happened...
 
Gerry McCann: I think the worst thing is, we, kind of, almost thought about not going and, errm... and did. We weren't sure we were going to get into the Tapas, (to Kate) remember? And, errm...
 
Kate McCann: In fact, we were all...
 
Gerry McCann: But, you know...
 
Kate McCann: ...we were all going to go up to the Millennium again, that was... with the kids, which is what we did the first night. It was just, errm... it was just 'cause the walk was so long and we didn't have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought... we... we were... we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.

You are purely guessing when you say that after she had complained, the mccanns didn't tell her where they were.  Just because it isn't in the statement, doesn't mean they didn't tell her where they were.  It happened that the questioner changed the direction of their thoughts by asking another question.. 

My bet is that they did tell her where they were.and that she knew exactly where they meant.  That being the reason she immediately calmed down.  it was so close and like her own back garden


But like you, I dont know.  You cant judge something that isn't there, Red.

[Redblossom]

You are purely guessing when you say that after she had complained, the mccanns didn't tell her where they were.  Just because it isn't in the statement, doesn't mean they didn't tell her where they were.  It happened that the questioner changed the direction of their thoughts by asking another question.. 

My bet is that they did tell her where they were.and that she knew exactly where they meant.  That being the reason she immediately calmed down.  it was so close and like her own back garden


But like you, I dont know.  You cant judge something that isn't there, Red.

Ah, so the issue is about whether they answered her question about where were they and not them telling her where they were going to be each night beforehand

I see

And, no, the Mccanns are very particular about the tiniest things, if they had said anything to her they would have said so IMO before telling us she just dropped it!
Whatever

[sadie]

Ah, so the issue is about whether they answered her question about where were they and not them telling her where they were going to be each night beforehand

I see

And, no, the Mccanns are very particular about the tiniest things, if they had said anything to her they would have said so IMO before telling us she just dropped it!
Whatever

I agree

Whatever, we just dont know

[AnneGuedes]

it was so close and like her own back garden

Do you have to get out to the street and cross a public path to go to your back garden, Rachel? And when you're there can you hear the door bell or the landline telephone ?

[sadie]

Do you have to get out to the street and cross a public path to go to your back garden, Rachel? And when you're there can you hear the door bell or the landline telephone ?

Erm... thanks for upgrading me to Rachel

That would be irrelevant to a four year old.  It was close, she could see it from the balcony and it was a place which she liked and felt safe with.  To her it would be like her back garden.

We simply dont know exactly what was said, but something immediately calmed Madeleine.  My bet is, because they told her where they were ... and she was happy with that.

But we just dont know.  Pointless speculating

[faithlilly]

Really? is that why she asked

Q: Tell me what happened, that morning... what Madeleine said.
 
Kate McCann: Well, I... I can't remember if we'd just had breakfast, it was rou... it was, sort of, fairly early in the morning and she just very casually, really, said: (mimics Madeleine's voice) 'Where were you last night, when me and Sean cried?' and we immediately looked and said, you know: 'When was this, Madeleine? Was this when you were going to sleep?' and she didn't answer and then she just carried on playing, totally undistressed.
 
Q: But did she tell you off when she was saying it?
 
Kate McCann: No. It was a passing remark, you know, and...
 
Gerry McCann: Madeleine's very articulate and, errr... for her age, and, errm... you know, it's unlike her, if she's got something to say, to drop it. She just did... literally, dropped it, errm... and we both, kind of, looked at each other and said: 'Was it when we had just put them down?'
 
Kate McCann: We obviously told the police because we thought 'does this indicate that someone's been round the night before?' and that's what's woken her up; which is significant, you know... you know, I've... you know, I've persecuted myself over and over again about that statement because you think 'Why didn't I, kind of, just hold her and say 'What d'you mean? What d'you mean?,' you know, 'What d'you mean you woke up?,' you know, and, kind of... but, you don't think that. I mean, it's easy saying that after what's happened...
 
Gerry McCann: I think the worst thing is, we, kind of, almost thought about not going and, errm... and did. We weren't sure we were going to get into the Tapas, (to Kate) remember? And, errm...
 
Kate McCann: In fact, we were all...
 
Gerry McCann: But, you know...
 
Kate McCann: ...we were all going to go up to the Millennium again, that was... with the kids, which is what we did the first night. It was just, errm... it was just 'cause the walk was so long and we didn't have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought... we... we were... we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.

You see how they lie so easily Red. We all know the tapas was block booked at the beginning of the week so why on earth is Gerry claiming that they didn't know whether they'd get in ?

[faithlilly]

Erm... thanks for upgrading me to Rachel

That would be irrelevant to a four year old.  It was close, she could see it from the balcony and it was a place which she liked and felt safe with.  To her it would be like her back garden.

We simply dont know exactly what was said, but something immediately calmed Madeleine.  My bet is, because they told her where they were ... and she was happy with that.

But we just dont know.  Pointless speculating

I know of no child of three years old who wouldn't be terrified knowing that if she woke her parents wouldn't be there and she and her siblings would be on their own in a dark apartment. Further what did she know about the patio doors ? Was she aware that the were open so that she could get out and find them ? Was she 'okay' about leaving the apartment in the dark or did she think the doors were locked so she couldn't get out at all ?

[sadie]

I know of no child of three years old who wouldn't be terrified knowing that if she woke her parents wouldn't be there and she and her siblings would be on their own in a dark apartment. Further what did she know about the patio doors ? Was she aware that the were open so that she could get out and find them ? Was she 'okay' about leaving the apartment in the dark or did she think the doors were locked so she couldn't get out at all ?

none of us know the answers to your questions Faith.  Pointless asking them.

Madeleine has been brought up in a way that not many children are these days.  With loving parents who gave her time.  Loads of it. 

But her parents also expected, and quite rightly, some time to themselves.  Her parents are sociable people. 

My bet is that Madeleine and her siblings were used to very often having Mum and Dad in the garden with friends over a barbie, or whatever, whilst they were asleep in a dark room

My thoughts are that Madeleine was used to a darkened room and Mum and Dad being in the garden ... and accepted it as OK.

The tapas area was like a garden and madeleine was completely at ease there.  If, and accepted we dont know for sure that they did, if Kate and Gerry had told her where they were, then I doubt very much she would have been frightened of the darkened room.  Cos the tapas area was a really nice place and like her agrden ... and very close, within shouting distance.

[faithlilly]

none of us know the answers to your questions Faith.  Pointless asking them.

Madeleine has been brought up in a way that not many children are these days.  With loving parents who gave her time.  Loads of it. 

But her parents also expected, and quite rightly, some time to themselves.  Her parents are sociable people. 

My bet is that Madeleine and her siblings were used to very often having Mum and Dad in the garden with friends over a barbie, or whatever, whilst they were asleep in a dark room

My thoughts are that Madeleine was used to a darkened room and Mum and Dad being in the garden ... and accepted it as OK.

The tapas area was like a garden and madeleine was completely at ease there.  If, and accepted we dont know for sure that they did, if Kate and Gerry had told her where they were, then I doubt very much she would have been frightened of the darkened room.  Cos the tapas area was a really nice place and like her agrden ... and very close, within shouting distance.

Madeleine cried on two consecutive nights, the first when Mrs Fenn heard her and the second when the ' mummy where were you'  crying incident happened. That doesn't sound as if Madeleine was 'ok' with the arrangement. In fact she sounded frightened, unhappy little girl.