Hindsight: Some posters just cannot get their heads around the concept.

[Redblossom]

none of us know the answers to your questions Faith.  Pointless asking them.

Madeleine has been brought up in a way that not many children are these days.  With loving parents who gave her time.  Loads of it. 

But her parents also expected, and quite rightly, some time to themselves.  Her parents are sociable people. 

My bet is that Madeleine and her siblings were used to very often having Mum and Dad in the garden with friends over a barbie, or whatever, whilst they were asleep in a dark room

My thoughts are that Madeleine was used to a darkened room and Mum and Dad being in the garden ... and accepted it as OK.

The tapas area was like a garden and madeleine was completely at ease there.  If, and accepted we dont know for sure that they did, if Kate and Gerry had told her where they were, then I doubt very much she would have been frightened of the darkened room.  Cos the tapas area was a really nice place and like her agrden ... and very close, within shouting distance.

Next u be saying santa exists  cos  u think so,what a load of ignorant cobblers lol

just dont aspire ever to be a lawyer

 

[Lace]

Madeleine cried on two consecutive nights, the first when Mrs Fenn heard her and the second when the ' mummy where were you'  crying incident happened. That doesn't sound as if Madeleine was 'ok' with the arrangement. In fact she sounded frightened, unhappy little girl.

Don't be ridiculous Faithfully,   how can you say she was a frightened unhappy little girl?   On her last night she had said to Kate 'I've had the best fun ever'   does that sound as though she was frightened and unhappy?

Mrs. Fenn said she heard a child crying,  not Madeleine crying.

How do you know for example, that Madeleine hadn't been talking about the night when Amelie was crying? when she went into the McCann's bedroom to tell them Amelie was crying?  Children get confused in relation to days and times.

[stephen25000]

none of us know the answers to your questions Faith.  Pointless asking them.

Madeleine has been brought up in a way that not many children are these days.  With loving parents who gave her time.  Loads of it. 

But her parents also expected, and quite rightly, some time to themselves.  Her parents are sociable people. 

My bet is that Madeleine and her siblings were used to very often having Mum and Dad in the garden with friends over a barbie, or whatever, whilst they were asleep in a dark room

My thoughts are that Madeleine was used to a darkened room and Mum and Dad being in the garden ... and accepted it as OK.

The tapas area was like a garden and madeleine was completely at ease there.  If, and accepted we dont know for sure that they did, if Kate and Gerry had told her where they were, then I doubt very much she would have been frightened of the darkened room.  Cos the tapas area was a really nice place and like her agrden ... and very close, within shouting distance.

and you wonder why I think you create fantasies.  8-)(--)

[Lace]

Your fantasies are getting a trite boring.

Talking about boring Stephen,  when are you going to say 'no evidence of abduction' one more time?

[stephen25000]

Your fantasies are getting a trite boring.

Talking about boring Stephen,  when are you going to say 'no evidence of abduction' one more time?

I don't need to since that's the unpalatable truth you can't disprove.

[Redblossom]

I don't need to since that's the unpalatable truth you can't disprove.

thats the truth really at the end if the day
there is no evidence of abduction, the PT PP stated it also, none

[Lace]

My thoughts on the heading of this thread.

Firstly the trampling of the apartment -

Kate searched the apartment first of all.   Then Gerry unable to believe that Madeleine had gone had to search again.   

How many of you have lost something that you know you had put in a certain place and then it had disappeared?  You keep searching where you had left it, don't you?

You think to your self,   it was there I saw it there now it has gone,  how can it have gone?

Well that is similar to how Kate and Gerry must have felt ,  only it was their daughter who had gone not an object.

I bet they felt like tearing the apartment apart in desperation, in the hope that somehow Madeleine was still there.

It is a normal reaction to a situation like that.

If the McCann's hadn't reacted in that way then I would wonder why.    No doubt the anti's would too.   Saying things such as -   Why didn't they tear the place apart looking for her?   because they knew where she was.

The second question of leaving the three children alone -

This is something I would never have done.   

If I had to pop to the corner shop I would have had to take the children with me.

It is something they must have made a decision about and something they will always regret doing.

They have said they regret leaving them,  they have said a number of times how they are eaten up with guilt about leaving them.

What a burden they have to carry for the rest of their lives.

One of their children disappeared because they left them alone.

Though who would imagine that someone would come and take your child from its bed?

What about THAT person?

The person hasn't been caught,   the person might have taken another child.

Isn't it that what we should be concentrating on?

The McCann's are suffering enough.   Madeleine has suffered could very well be still suffering. 

I concentrate on Madeleine and not what the McCann's did.

[Outlook]

Sure you would. You would leave your three babies on their own without any qualms or any worries whatsoever where youcouldnt see or hear them for at least 30 minute  stretches and dine and wine in peace knowing theyare always OK.Would you also leave the back door open?


Do people in China do this? Or is it just a British cultural thing LOL

At the risk of starting a lynching party, In China our Children or more usually "Child" would be with us during our meal.  We would eat earlier and any children would be part of the social grouping.  A treasured central part of the group rather than bottles of alcohol and packets of cigarettes.

Now that is not to say I condemn the McCann Group.  It is just that we do things differently.  I am sure the Social Group at the Tapas bar did what they thought was safe and correct in their social context.

[Lace]

thats the truth really at the end if the day
there is no evidence of abduction, the PT PP stated it also, none

SY have spent years going through the files Redblossom.

They say they believe Madeleine was taken by a stranger.

So how do you work that out then?

[Redblossom]

At the risk of starting a lynching party, In China our Children or more usually "Child" would be with us during our meal.  We would eat earlier and any children would be part of the social grouping.  A treasured central part of the group rather than bottles of alcohol and packets of cigarettes.

Now that is not to say I condemn the McCann Group.  It is just that we do things differently.  I am sure the Social Group at the Tapas bar did what they thought was safe and correct in their social context.

What social context? it is not  a norm in portugal or england to leave your babies on  their own, leave the  door open and go out, simple  as that no ifs or buts

[Redblossom]

SY have spent years going through the files Redblossom.

They say they believe Madeleine was taken by a stranger.

So how do you work that out then?

Dear lace, nothing of the  sort was said, do review redwood on video and see where he actually said that,nowhere

C u

[Outlook]

What social context? it is not  a norm in Portugal or england to leave your babies on  their own, leave the  door open and go out, simple  as that no ifs or buts

That is not what I see continually in your newspapers and media.

I just say we do things differently.  If they felt they were in a safe environment then they did what they thought was safe at the time.  For us to sit and smugly analyse that years later is hardly honorable behavior.

[Lace]

Dear lace, nothing of the  sort was said, do review redwood on video and see where he actually said that,nowhere

C u

You must have watched a different video to me then.   SY have said they believe Madeleine was taken by a stranger.  Redwood has also said he believes Madeleine could still be alive.

[Redblossom]

That is not what I see continually in your newspapers and media.

I just say we do things differently.  If they felt they were in a safe environment then they did what they thought was safe at the time.  For us to sit and smugly analyse that years later is hardly honorable behavior.

If you see anything in the uk papers it is about parents being cautioned or prosecuted for leaving their  children alone, not applauding them!!! And mostly because they came to harm or were in danger of coming to harm

honour has nothing to do with discussing facts

[Redblossom]

You must have watched a different video to me then.   SY have said they believe Madeleine was taken by a stranger.  Redwood has also said he believes Madeleine could still be alive.

Yes he said the latter but not the former