The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.

[Benice]

Benice - I think you meant to say "I agree Chinagirl" (not Carana!)
Your point about the McCanns having to break the secrecy laws is a good one which I hadn't thought of.

Whatever the case, they could not simply have waltzed into a hospital to ask for drugs tests to be carried out on the twins without referral from the police.

My apols Chinagirl - yes that was a mistake - sorry again.

[stephen25000]

Just evasion of what should have happened.

Both the PJ and the parents should have INSISTED on tests.

There is no excuse under the sun for not doing that and evading the issue won't change that.

As for km being a qualified anesthetist , prove it.

[sadie]

Just evasion of what should have happened.

Both the PJ and the parents should have INSISTED on tests.

There is no excuse under the sun for not doing that and evading the issue won't change that.

The parents were in no position for insisting anything, but they kept asking.

[stephen25000]

The parents were in no position for insisting anything, but they kept asking.

How do you know they kept asking ?

[AnneGuedes]

Why is it a lie that Kate was a qualified anaethetist?

How were the McCann parents expected to arrange for the twins to be tested for drugs - in a foreign country?  They raised their concerns with the police who were the appropriate authority to get that test undertaken, but they failed to do so.

To be a GP you have to basically train in various specialities (at least it's like this in Portugal). I think I read Mrs McCann did train in anaesthetic and in gynaecology. To be a specialist the training lasts for years and you never lose the qualification, whether you practice or not, even if being a (good) specialist means constant updating.
I agree that the McCanns didn't have to test their children themselves because the PJ neglected it. But they didn't suggest it, though they were the first witnesses of the twins' state and knew, as parents and doctors, Madeleine couldn't have been taken without being drugged.
They only asked, with enough insistence to be noted by two liaison police officers, if evidence of sedation had been found by the scientific police.

[sadie]

To be a GP you have to basically train in various specialities (at least it's like this in Portugal). I think I read Mrs McCann did train in anaesthetic and in gynaecology. To be a specialist the training lasts for years and you never lose the qualification, whether you practice or not, even if being a (good) specialist means constant updating.
I agree that the McCanns didn't have to test their children themselves because the PJ neglected it. But they didn't suggest it, though they were the first witnesses of the twins' state and knew, as parents and doctors, Madeleine couldn't have been taken without being drugged.
They only asked, with enough insistence to be noted by two liaison police officers, if evidence of sedation had been found by the scientific police.

Ever thought of the language problems and their state of mind at that early time?

[stephen25000]

Ever thought of the language problems and their state of mind at that early time?

Staff at the complex.

Simples.

[faithlilly]

Exactly Chinagirl.

Can you imagine the McCann's trying to arrange such tests?

McCann's  -   We believe the twins have been drugged by an abductor,  an abductor took my eldest child.   Could you do tests to rule out drugs?

The first thing the would do is ring the police.

The tests should have been arranged by the Portuguese police.

We are told by Kate in her book that she  raised her concerns with regard to the twins being drugged on the night. How exactly did she do that ? The police officers did not speak English and there is nothing in Silvia Baptista statement that states she translated such concerns for Kate.

Kate also did not, it seems, share her concerns with Gerry as he didn't mention them to the PJ either. No mention of them either in any of the numerous calls she made to friends and family.

When talking to the FLO the McCanns could have asked for them to request that the twins were tested by the PJ, but they didn't. Why was that ?

[stephen25000]

We are told by Kate in her book that she  raised her concerns with regard to the twins being drugged on the night. How exactly did she do that ? The police officers did not speak English and there is nothing in Silvia Baptista statement that states she translated such concerns for Kate.

Kate also did not, it seems, share her concerns with Gerry as he didn't mention them to the PJ either. No mention of them either in any of the numerous calls she made to friends and family.

When talking to the FLO the McCanns could have asked for them to request that the twins were tested by the PJ, but they didn't. Why was that ?

The book of course contains quite a few lies and exaggerations in an attempt to show the Mccanns in a good light.

Trouble is for them, there are other sources of information which reveal the real truth.

[Chinagirl]

Not up to me to prove or disprove your claims, Stephen - you made them, you quote the source for your claims.

Unfortunately you are showing your prejudice.


 

[faithlilly]

Not up to me to prove or disprove your claims, Stephen - you made them, you quote the source for your claims.

Unfortunately you are showing your prejudice.

And you are showing your sycophancy.

[John]

As with most modern professions a medical practitioner has to maintain a certain level of expertise in order to remain on the Register.

I understand that both parents trained in anaesthesiology or as anaesthetists in order to qualify as doctors.

[AnneGuedes]

 No mention of them either in any of the numerous calls she made to friends and family.

Yes, and though some of them rejected the idea Madeleine could be taken without screaming.
The sedation issue is tabu.

[stephen25000]

Not up to me to prove or disprove your claims, Stephen - you made them, you quote the source for your claims.

Unfortunately you are showing your prejudice.

From the horses mouth........................

'After completing my 'house jobs' (as they were known then - basically a doctor's first year post-qualification), I'd found myself embarking on a career in obstetrics and gynaecology. While that hadn't been my intention - I'd planned simply to gain the experience I needed for general practice - I really enjoyed O&G..... I wasn't completely sure it was for me.

Early in 1995, during an oncology posting I'd taken up to enhance my O&G training, I started to apply for jobs in Australia via an organized scheme....... found myself being offered a job by a neo-natal consultant in Auckland.

I loved my job in the neo-natal unit, and I loved working with babies, but it was something of a baptism of fire. I was classed as a registrar even though I had no neo-natal experience and had junior doctors working under me who did.

After my stint at the neo-natal unit, I took a six-month job in O&G in Wellington.

So in September 1996 we returned to Glasgow.

I worked initially at the maternity unit at the Queen Mother's Hospital before transferring to anaesthetics at the Western Infirmary in 1997.

(In between times desparately trying for a baby)

We were now living in Leicestershire, having taken the decision to move south in 2000 to enable Gerry to take up a training post in cardiology.

By this time I had been promoted to a registrar post in anaesthetics in *Glasgow* and was working hard towards completing my postgraduate exams or 'fellowship'. Within six months, I'd been able to transfer to the registrar rotation in Leicester and we had settled in Queniborough.

Shortly after we moved to Queniborough I decided to leave anaesthetics and train for general practice. It wasn't an easy decision to make - I was happy in anaesthetics, and it meant that my fellowship would be redundant in terms of furthering my career
With the variety of hospital posts I already had under my belt, all I needed was a six-month position in psychiatry to gain the breadth of experience required for GP training. However, I still wanted to finish my anaesthetics fellowship.

I did my GP training at a surgery in Melton Mowbray.

When I'd finished my training I secured a locum post at the surgery.....................'


There you are.

P.S. She did not finish her training after finding the work load too heavy for anesthesiology.
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[John]

From the horses mouth........................

'After completing my 'house jobs' (as they were known then - basically a doctor's first year post-qualification), I'd found myself embarking on a career in obstetrics and gynaecology. While that hadn't been my intention - I'd planned simply to gain the experience I needed for general practice - I really enjoyed O&G..... I wasn't completely sure it was for me.

Early in 1995, during an oncology posting I'd taken up to enhance my O&G training, I started to apply for jobs in Australia via an organized scheme....... found myself being offered a job by a neo-natal consultant in Auckland.

I loved my job in the neo-natal unit, and I loved working with babies, but it was something of a baptism of fire. I was classed as a registrar even though I had no neo-natal experience and had junior doctors working under me who did.

After my stint at the neo-natal unit, I took a six-month job in O&G in Wellington.

So in September 1996 we returned to Glasgow.

I worked initially at the maternity unit at the Queen Mother's Hospital before transferring to anaesthetics at the Western Infirmary in 1997.

(In between times desparately trying for a baby)

We were now living in Leicestershire, having taken the decision to move south in 2000 to enable Gerry to take up a training post in cardiology.

By this time I had been promoted to a registrar post in anaesthetics in *Glasgow* and was working hard towards completing my postgraduate exams or 'fellowship'. Within six months, I'd been able to transfer to the registrar rotation in Leicester and we had settled in Queniborough.

Shortly after we moved to Queniborough I decided to leave anaesthetics and train for general practice. It wasn't an easy decision to make - I was happy in anaesthetics, and it meant that my fellowship would be redundant in terms of furthering my career
With the variety of hospital posts I already had under my belt, all I needed was a six-month position in psychiatry to gain the breadth of experience required for GP training. However, I still wanted to finish my anaesthetics fellowship.

I did my GP training at a surgery in Melton Mowbray.

When I'd finished my training I secured a locum post at the surgery.....................'


There you are.

P.S. She did not finish her training after finding the work load too heavy for anesthesiology.
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Yes but she was still a qualified anaesthetist who was employed as a Registrar as such.  Maybe you can edit your previous posts accordingly Stephen otherwise I will remove them entirely.