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Offline Benice

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #165 on: August 05, 2013, 10:21:51 AM »
I have no blinkers.

I've watched the video.

Now why in the book did she say no one was searching for Madeleine ?

Because when she and Gerry were out searching they never met another soul.  She was referring only to that particular time and IMO she was referring to the absence of any police actively searching for her daughter  - and certainly not to members of the public - to whom they have never shown anything except gratitude  and who she would not know at that juncture were going to give up their time to help in the following days.  Unless you are going to claim she should have been able to see into the future.

I see you still choose to ignore my other points.   Says it all IMO.
 



 
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stephen25000

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #166 on: August 05, 2013, 10:44:55 AM »
Because when she and Gerry were out searching they never met another soul.  She was referring only to that particular time and IMO she was referring to the absence of any police actively searching for her daughter  - and certainly not to members of the public - to whom they have never shown anything except gratitude  and who she would not know at that juncture were going to give up their time to help in the following days.  Unless you are going to claim she should have been able to see into the future.

I see you still choose to ignore my other points.   Says it all IMO.

There is nothing to ignore.

She had every opportunity to revise the book, she didn't.

Meanwhile, what about the thread topic.

There is no excuse under the sun for not having the children tested. NOT ONE.


Offline Chinagirl

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #167 on: August 05, 2013, 10:56:23 AM »
There is no excuse under the sun for not having the children tested. NOT ONE.

I can agree absolutely with that comment.  It is an appalling dereliction of duty that the PJ did not accede to Kate's request to have the children tested.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #168 on: August 05, 2013, 11:21:30 AM »
There is no excuse under the sun for not having the children tested. NOT ONE.

I can agree absolutely with that comment.  It is an appalling dereliction of duty that the PJ did not accede to Kate's request to have the children tested.

What request would that be Chinagirl ? There is not one scintilla of proof that Kate, or indeed Gerry, asked for the twins to be tested AT ANY TIME.
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Offline Chinagirl

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #169 on: August 05, 2013, 11:30:47 AM »
There is, Faithlilly, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #170 on: August 05, 2013, 11:58:24 AM »
There is, Faithlilly, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread.

There absolutely is not Chinagirl. Until they were declared arguidos the McCanns hadn't even broached the subject of having the twins tested for drugs. They asked the FLO on the 5th whether there was any evidence that sedation had been used in the abduction of Madeleine. They did not voice their concerns at that time, or any other, that the twins may have been sedated due to their non-responsiveness on the night of the 3rd or indeed request that they were tested for sedatives, which, if they were concerned, would be a natural course of action don't you think ?
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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #171 on: August 05, 2013, 12:37:47 PM »
There absolutely is not Chinagirl. Until they were declared arguidos the McCanns hadn't even broached the subject of having the twins tested for drugs. They asked the FLO on the 5th whether there was any evidence that sedation had been used in the abduction of Madeleine. They did not voice their concerns at that time, or any other, that the twins may have been sedated due to their non-responsiveness on the night of the 3rd or indeed request that they were tested for sedatives, which, if they were concerned, would be a natural course of action don't you think ?

Luz say's 4 months Paiva says 3.

You are wrong Faith. If Paiva say's they asked for testing 3 months after Madeleine was abducted, they had not been made arguidos.
No matter how you look at it, it was not the McCann's place to get testing done. It was down to the PJ. If Amaral was so sure, why didn't he get them tested? He didn't need their permission, he could have got a court order, if needed, which I doubt he would have.
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AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #172 on: August 05, 2013, 01:03:05 PM »
Luz, links to the statements of the family liaison officers have already been posted here. They raised the issue with them as soon as they arrived.
No, they raised the issue with the PJ in front of the FLO. Only 2 officers found worth to be noted their interest in knowing if the scientific police had found traces of sedation. They seem to have been satisfied with the negative answer. 

Offline Carana

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #173 on: August 05, 2013, 01:09:04 PM »
No, they raised the issue with the PJ in front of the FLO. Only 2 officers found worth to be noted their interest in knowing if the scientific police had found traces of sedation. They seem to have been satisfied with the negative answer.

Could you provide the reports concerning that?

AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #174 on: August 05, 2013, 01:09:56 PM »
The twins had likely been administrated something to make them sleep so deeply. There are many witnesses of that curiosity, starting with Mrs Payne. Even if an immediate test had proven they had been drugged, it couldn't prove whether it was criminal or not. Neither could one infer Madeleine had been drugged, criminally or not. The only certainty is that she left the 5A for the last time either drugged or dead.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #175 on: August 05, 2013, 01:12:55 PM »
Could you provide the reports concerning that?
It's in the files, Carana, and has been quoted many times on this forum.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #176 on: August 05, 2013, 01:23:27 PM »
There are only 2 clues concerning the actual McCann "search". One is the sighting of a police officer in a street close to their car (which also shows the police hadn't left as they claimed). The other are the cell phones' activities.

Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #177 on: August 05, 2013, 02:02:08 PM »
So you think she was wrong to stay at 5A to speak to the police?       It seems to me Red that anything Kate says which suits your agenda you believe, but if it doesn't -  then you just say she lied. 

Amaral was a former arguido but unlike Kate now has a criminal record as a result of it  - do you have the same difficulty taking his re-telling of the facts as true?

She has never criticised the people who gave up their time to search for Madeleine - why on earth would she.  Any criticism she made was aimed at the police.

All the sneering comments in the world won't alter the fact that she did search for her daughter.

A) I dont have any agenda

B) Kate Mccann HAS xriticised the search parties when she said in an interview, if they were better organised,Madeleine may have been found, This is a FACT, even if I dont have the video to hand

C) She also said if Portugal had an amber alert system Madeleine may have been found, which is rubbish if you read up on what amber alert requires!

Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #178 on: August 05, 2013, 02:04:19 PM »
Couldn't reply sooner as I had to go out. So tell me where kate says she didn't go out because it was too cold and dark. I still think you are telling lies but will apologise if I am found to be wrong.

Dont need any apologies from anyone here

Fiona Payne was the only woman from the group to help in the searches. Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.

It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate. Then Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

 
Davel, do you have a link to any single person saying they saw Kate Mccann out searching that night? Any link to any police officer saying she went to speak to them? Any link to any video or paper interview Kate Mccann has done where she says she did any searching that night? Any link to any of her friendS or family  saying she did that? Over four years?I bet no. What we do have is comments made that are taken that she did not search that night, but waited until light, including her own recorded ones. In their 2008 documentary Gerry was saying he insisted Kate stay home, so many witness statements say she was at home. The only reference  to her doing any search that night comes only in 2011 in the book Madeleine. Thats it.

Now, police advice apprently is not to search, did the police advise the parents that night not to do this? or prevent the parents from doing this. I see nothing like that in the files.

The point is some people question why she didnt, thats all. So there shouldnt be any reason you get  so indignated when people say she didnt. And wonder how a mother, even with dozens of people searching could just sit there. IMO she wrote of her search in her book to answer those questions.

And next morning after sunrise,which she says she was waiting for to go out and search, she was horrified there was no one out. Well, they had been out all flipping night! And they had no sunlight.

My reference to her not searching because it cold and dark I admit could be wrong because she mentioned it in the same breath.  But the because it was dark is documented. And NO, being wrong or misconstruing something is not a deliberate lie, thank you

Mrs McCann stayed in a bedroom praying. She said: “It was really cold. I knew what pyjamas she had on and I just thought she’s going to be freezing. And it was just dark and dark and every minute seemed like an hour.
“Obviously, we were up all night and just waited for the first bit of light at six o’clock.”
Mr McCann added: “And then we went out searching, the two of us. We were saying over and over again just let her be found, let her be found.”

Taken from their ITV documentary 2008


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stephen25000

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #179 on: August 05, 2013, 02:13:39 PM »
The parents both claim to be 'anesthetists'  and she said she was worried by the lack of response of the children.

On that basis alone, they should have rushed the children to hospital, OR got someone else to take them.

Neither happened.