After Six Years the Only Sign of Not Being Involved

[Albertini]

Posted on what she said here:

Is the Mccanns continuing their campaign, so those who say how could they just pretend for so many years, have a point, for me, its the only point from everything I have seen and heard

I addressed her second line also.

No you didn't.

And nowhere there does Redblossom says it is evidence of innocence.

Red is accepting in his/her post that it is a point why they would keep up their campaign but then half answers it by saying they need to keep it up to evade being caught and the consequences of it.

It's a fundamentally different point to the one you made about it being eivdence of innocence.

So back to you, how do you work out that this is evidence of innocence?

[Redblossom]

Posted on what she said here:

Is the Mccanns continuing their campaign, so those who say how could they just pretend for so many years, have a point, for me, its the only point from everything I have seen and heard

I addressed her second line also.

WhatI actually said was that their placing themselves in the limelight for so long is to me a possible / even probable indication, the only indication, for me at least, that Madeleine was abducted and they were uninvolved, and for all the reasons given by other posters here. Doesnt mean I or they are right. There have been cases where the guilty party pretended to the media, albeit never for so long afaiaw.
I do find it a struggle to think thry would live this lie, but what if theyhave no choice?

You dont know if its not a case of not being able to get off the tigers back!

Their reluctance to speak candidly and without a script and without throwing hissy fits and stropping at questions they didnt like, and answer unscreened questions and use  spokespeople over the years reinforces my belief that they never told the truth.

I am also amazed that their first priority was to engage a comprehensive group of lawyers and consultants, in Gerrys own words, with the money they were given by the public to find their child. Then the frenzy of trying to discredit dogs, the pj, Mr Amaral, other people, and the rewriting of history in the scathing embroidery of the truth Book! And their uncountable interviews where they said one thing and said another elsewhere, etc,etc, and that is just a very small portion of reasons I have to doubt them


I could be wrong which is a bit more than some of your lot can muster

Btw its called honest informed  opinion and there is no law against THAT thank heavens




 

[Lyall]

Two groups of people who may have influenced some or all of their decisions about the continued campaigning and pressing for review: their (powerful) supporters, and their other children.

It may not look good to either if they hadn't taken these decisions? >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

Two groups of people who may have influenced some or all of their decisions about the continued campaigning and pressing for review: their (powerful) supporters, and their other children.

It may not look good to either if they hadn't taken these decisions? >@@(*&)

Nice refreshing original opinion Lyall, thank you

[Lyall]

Thanks RB

I'd think it's the future of their other children they worry about most, and that surely includes the opinions about their sister's fate/parents behaviour they'll have.

Sad case isn't it. They all are I guess.

[AnneGuedes]

Two groups of people who may have influenced some or all of their decisions about the continued campaigning and pressing for review: their (powerful) supporters, and their other children.

It may not look good to either if they hadn't taken these decisions? >@@(*&)

Certainly, they don't have much choice left. What is the part, in this situation, of our institutions ?

[Redblossom]

Thanks RB

I'd think it's the future of their other children they worry about most, and that surely includes the opinions about their sister's fate/parents behaviour they'll have.

Sad case isn't it. They all are I guess.

it is very sad whichever way it is

-No one apart from a small handful of people on the www think she was murdered or it was planned
- They lost their child
- If there was an accident involving them or not  they may have panicked and not called it in for many reasons, that makes their further activies a lie and fraud in that scenario and or necessary evil for preservation of self and family, can thatbe forgiven? If the case? Not in my book
- The dog evidence cannot be disregarded IMO
- The tapas group have kept their mouth shuts all throughout the years, apart from Tanner and a dmall snippet from Rachel Oldfield on some radio programme, why?
- If she was abducted, then a  scarlet  pimpernel abductor is out there that for so many years no money, no govt, no 24/7/365 multi  media,no multi country police or seven lots of PIS, volunteer searchers and investigators, spotters,reward money,multi millions spent by three police forces and many more millions with PIS, ex SAS involved, interpol, europol, biggest ever manhunt in history in Portugal, etc, or any other  power can find a single iota of evidence or info for
 >@@(*&)
what are the odds?

Then you come back to, well, if they know what happened, how did they get away with it?

[Lyall]

I don't know RB. I just know I can't believe it was an abduction, however much the papers, supporters and now SY DCI's say it. Too much of the subsequent behaviour seems fake to me - especially their book.

I think it's always going to be a mystery.

I recently read Gordon Burn's book 'Born Yesterday' and he compares their other children to those of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - they're never going to escape it. Very sad for them, whatever we think of their parents.

[Redblossom]

I don't know RB. I just know I can't believe it was an abduction, however much the papers, supporters and now SY DCI's say it. Too much of the subsequent behaviour seems fake to me - especially their book.

I think it's always going to be a mystery.

I recently read Gordon Burn's book 'Born Yesterday' and he compares their other children to those of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - they're never going to escape it. Very sad for them, whatever we think of their parents.

My  sentiments too, from the very first time I saw the news on that morning of May 4th, something smelled and it hasnt gone away, its gotten worse
I think the yanks refer to a hinky meter


Not heard of that book, off to google it.

PS the SY DCI never actually said it was an abduction, he just eggshelled and pussyfooted around that made it sound like that, he said there was an opportunity for an abduction, and an abduction is a criminal act by a stranger, woopie dooh
 
he never said he or anyone else thought Madeleine was abducted

He must be between a rock and a hard place, poor bloke, in a worse position than lady gaga in her poker face stills

oh well, hogging the board and run out of ciggies so laters x

[Lyall]

I know RB. You have to feel a bit sorry for the fella stuck in front of the cameras (only a bit though. "Not at all!" says Barry George)

[Redblossom]

I know RB. You have to feel a bit sorry for the fella stuck in front of the cameras (only a bit though. "Not at all!" says Barry George)

I dont know if it was Redwood personally that banged up BG up, if so, shame on him

his iq must have been lower than BGs to do that!!!!

[south of the river]

Lots of points from lots of threads that tend to morf into one !

My own opinions on several points :

Wither they scoured the town all night or sat paralyzed with grief and shock  on that night means little to me - it is small detail in a bigger picture. There was an independent witness - a member of GNR who said in a statement that he saw the couple out at 7.00am  -  but it doesnt mean much. The4 general advice in any situation like this is leave it to the experts - The PJ and the GNR would hardly have encouraged them to lead the search.

Even now you get many critics slating them because they are not back in portugal " searching " - which is just ridiculous - as if they should be in the town looking in  bins and alleyways 7 years later  .

we always come back to the same points - no evidence or smoking gun that they were involved atall apart from the dogs which has been discussed ad nauseam - I would be more likely to have taken it a bit more seriously until they alerted on the hire car - which just made the idea that the body was somehow moved weeks later just crazy.
But also true there is no smoking gun for the abductor either - lots of little snippets but nada ( so it seems to move the investigation onwards )

But the child is gone. We do know that there are sick people who DO kidnap , abduct and prey on young children. We also do know that there are parents who do abuse / mistreat  their children.  mostly parental abuse crimes get solved pretty quickly as it is so obvious and the child is known to the authorities

I also tend to agree with the argument that if they were directly involved , then they would not still be on news shows, running charity runs keeping the case so public . This to me would be the act of complete physcopaths and their background and life to date does not show that - they seem to have been talented people pursuing careers and raising a family -  being slightly eccentric or odd does not a killer make. Not that I think they are - if anyone is put through the public tabloid ringer they will not come out well the other side, The tabloids smelt blood in the early days and the portrayals of the parents was pretty distasteful ( IMO )

but until this case is solved the smell of suspicion will always linger -  even if it is solved I do think that there are certain groups who will always think them guilty

The one thing that is certain is someone took maddy - either parents/ friends disposed of a dead body for whatever reasons or person unknown abducted for reasons  that I dont really want to think too much about

I still think that the later is more likely - for reasons that have been repeated often .

It still remains a total mystery - and  why the case has gathered so much interest from The PM downwards and why certain individuals have gotten involved with support and cash,

 

[AnneGuedes]

  even if it is solved I do think that there are certain groups who will always think them guilty

Do you also think that if the case were solved the other way round, certain groups would always think they're innocent ?

[south of the river]

Do you also think that if the case were solved the other way round, certain groups would always think they're innocent ?

probably -

I have been a keen observer of this mystery since it hit the news in 2007 - from the first forums that have long gone now.

I too did think initially  that it must be the parents -  a natural type of reaction  suppose

but over the first months looking at the timelines and the facts that came out - I just cant see how they could possibly have hidden the body so well for  6 weeks in such a limited time - remembering that dead bodeis in a hot climate would start to decompose almost from   day 1 - the smell alone would have allerted people - and tehn move body in a hire car - just didnt seem feasible or even possible.

So with the information that I have seen / read that is the side of the fence I firmly sit. If new evidence was discovered that firmly proved me wrong I will admit I am wrong - - but at least will find out the truth - but wtill waiting for that day to arrive.

[Rachel Granada]

I don't know RB. I just know I can't believe it was an abduction, however much the papers, supporters and now SY DCI's say it. Too much of the subsequent behaviour seems fake to me - especially their book.

I think it's always going to be a mystery.

I recently read Gordon Burn's book 'Born Yesterday' and he compares their other children to those of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - they're never going to escape it. Very sad for them, whatever we think of their parents.

Haven't heard of the Gordon Burn book Lyall, is it a good read?