Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?

[Angelo222]

Before we all go down the Calpol thread again I want to continue with the scenario as depicted by the Portuguese Police.

The PJ knew that both doctors were trained in the science of anesthesiology with at least one of them practising it as a career in Glasgow and Leicester.

This added to their suspicions that a substance or substances stronger than the paracetamol which makes up Calpol may have been administered.  Who but a doctor working in a hospital would have access to such substances?

[AnneGuedes]

An article  from 2005.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/3314633/Are-we-using-too-much-Calpol.html

Sorry Angelo... when a child who had Calpol in warm milk sleeps like an angel, it's the milk that works !

[Angelo222]

Sorry Angelo... when a child who had Calpol in warm milk sleeps like an angel, it's the milk that works !

You don't need to be sorry at me Anne.  I never said Calpol was or is a sedative!!

[AnneGuedes]

You don't need to be sorry at me Anne.  I never said Calpol was or is a sedative!!

Oh I was apologizing for diverting the thread just after you recommended not to !

[DCI]

Before we all go down the Calpol thread again I want to continue with the scenario as depicted by the Portuguese Police.

The PJ knew that both doctors were trained in the science of anesthesiology with at least one of them practising it as a career in Glasgow and Leicester.

This added to their suspicions that a substance or substances stronger than the paracetamol which makes up Calpol may have been administered.  Who but a doctor working in a hospital would have access to such substances?

Who was practising it as a career in Glasgow and Leicester, Angelo?.
I don't think Gerry trained as an anesthesiologist!

[AnneGuedes]

Sedatives aren't difficult to get, even if you're not a doctor. As an adult you can use those without major problem, they're very successful and quite safe. But only a doctor can safely control those substances if administrated to a little child and eventually act in case of a respiratory problem. No paediatrician here in Portugal would prescribe such substances for a child except in a hospital. Even if the parents say they can hardly sleep with the crying of the baby.

[Angelo222]

Who was practising it as a career in Glasgow and Leicester, Angelo?.
I don't think Gerry trained as an anesthesiologist!

I was under the impression you knew all this DCI, after all I must have posted it three times by now?
 
You have to train in it as part of the course to become a doctor.

Kate says in her book, that they took the decision to move south in 2000, to enable Gerry to take up a training post in cardiology, 'positions that were hard to come by', according to her.

Kate herself at the time 'had been promoted to a registrar post in anaesthetics in Glasgow and was -again according to Kate herself- working hard to complete her postgraduate exams or "fellowship".

Apparently it was possible for her to transfer from Glasgow to Leicester within six months.

Shortly after moving south -to Queniborough, she decided to leave anaesthetics even though she was happy in it.

[Jean-Pierre]

I was under the impression you knew all this DCI, after all I must have posted it three times by now?
 
You have to train in it as part of the course to become a doctor.

Kate says in her book, that they took the decision to move south in 2000, to enable Gerry to take up a training post in cardiology, 'positions that were hard to come by', according to her.

Kate herself at the time 'had been promoted to a registrar post in anaesthetics in Glasgow and was -again according to Kate herself- working hard to complete her postgraduate exams or "fellowship".

Apparently it was possible for her to transfer from Glasgow to Leicester within six months.

Shortly after moving south -to Queniborough, she decided to leave anaesthetics even though she was happy in it.

Sorry Angelo - you are wrong.  Medical students in the UK may do a module on it in their course, but not necessarily.  Then they do two years pre registration, F1 and F2 years, where they do various rotations (surgery, Obs and gyney, paeditatrics etc etc).  One of those may be anaesthetics but not necessarily.   

[Angelo222]

When asked the simple question about Calpol Gerry McCann goes into his usual defensive mode.  Firstly he says he won't comment and then immediately denies the assertion while his body language speaks volumes.

Why prevaricate, why so defensive?

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=O5jtmkXXv58&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DO5jtmkXXv58%26feature%3Dyoutu.be


In any event, to get back to the discussion in hand, it is without doubt that Mr Amaral associated his suspicions that Madeleine had been sedated with her mother's expertise in the field of anaesthetics.

He theorised that Madeleine had suffered some sort of reaction to the sedation and succumbed to it.  This left the parents in a predicament... WHAT TO DO?

[sadie]

When asked the simple question about Calpol Gerry McCann goes into his usual defensive mode.  Firstly he says he won't comment and then immediately denies the assertion while his body language speaks volumes.

Why prevaricate, why so defensive?

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=O5jtmkXXv58&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DO5jtmkXXv58%26feature%3Dyoutu.be


In any event, to get back to the discussion in hand, it is without doubt that Mr Amaral associated his suspicions that Madeleine had been sedated with her parents and especially her mother's expertise in the field of anaesthetics.

He theorised that Madeleine had suffered some sort of reaction to the sedation and succumbed to it.  This left the parents in a predicament... WHAT TO DO?

Why prevaricate Angelo?

Cos he is fed up to the teeth of people asking the same question repeatedly, just trying to incriminate him.  He is fed up of the insinuations behind the question.  You would be too.

Would you be so placid, if people kept trying to insinuate that you had overdosed your children?

I think not.

[AnneGuedes]

No overdose is meant, sometimes the body reacts the opposite, this is why only doctors should administrate sedatives. The question is justified by the fact both twins were reported as sleeping amazingly among noises, voices, screams and checked by their mother many times, showing she realized her babies weren't therefore sleeping "normally".
Who drugged the twins and why ?

[DCI]

I was under the impression you knew all this DCI, after all I must have posted it three times by now?
 
You have to train in it as part of the course to become a doctor.

Kate says in her book, that they took the decision to move south in 2000, to enable Gerry to take up a training post in cardiology, 'positions that were hard to come by', according to her.

Kate herself at the time 'had been promoted to a registrar post in anaesthetics in Glasgow and was -again according to Kate herself- working hard to complete her postgraduate exams or "fellowship".

Apparently it was possible for her to transfer from Glasgow to Leicester within six months.

Shortly after moving south -to Queniborough, she decided to leave anaesthetics even though she was happy in it.

Have you checked that out what is actually in Kate's book, Angelo?
Or just copied that from Jill haverns blog?

[sadie]

No overdose is meant, sometimes the body reacts the opposite, this is why only doctors should administrate sedatives. The question is justified by the fact both twins were reported as sleeping amazingly among noises, voices, screams and checked by their mother many times, showing she realized her babies weren't therefore sleeping "normally".
Who drugged the twins and why ?

Some little ones are amazing what they will sleep thru.  Here we do not know how much of the noise actually surrounded them,  Doors can be shut to compartmentalize sound.  Kate was bound to be over anxious about them and would keep an extra eye on them, by frequent checks.



Personally, I have felt all three children had something slipped into their teatime drinks .... or possibly were given sweeties that were some sport of drugs.  This is the third time I have said this, but I will say it again.  Madeleine was sooooo tired at 5.35ish that they had to carry her back to the apartment.  That is very early considering that IIRC their bedtime was normally 7.45

Also each evening, the pattern had been to bath the children and get them in their jammies, then to take them to join up with the other children for a play on the climbing frame, slide etc for a while before going to bed.  That night they were too tired to go and play.

All these things indicate the likelyhood that some sort of drug was administered to them at Teatime, with possibly a double dose for Madeleine

OMO, but what do you think about it Anne?  Seems you know quite a lot about drugs and sedatives.

Could what I am saying make sense?

[faithlilly]

Some little ones are amazing what they will sleep thru.  Here we do not know how much of the noise actually surrounded them,  Doors can be shut to compartmentalize sound.  Kate was bound to be over anxious about them and would keep an extra eye on them, by frequent checks.



Personally, I have felt all three children had something slipped into their teatime drinks .... or possibly were given sweeties that were some sport of drugs.  This is the third time I have said this, but I will say it again.  Madeleine was sooooo tired at 5.35ish that they had to carry her back to the apartment.  That is very early considering that IIRC their bedtime was normally 7.45

Also each evening, the pattern had been to bath the children and get them in their jammies, then to take them to join up with the other children for a play on the climbing frame, slide etc for a while before going to bed.  That night they were too tired to go and play.

All these things indicate the likelyhood that some sort of drug was administered to them at Teatime, with possibly a double dose for Madeleine

OMO, but what do you think about it Anne?  Seems you know quite a lot about drugs and sedatives.

Could what I am saying make sense?

Seems bathing the children and then taking them to the playground was not the usual routine. From Gerry's arguido interview :

'----- At 17h00 the OCEAN CLUB nursery care workers conducted MADELEINE and the other children in creche on the 1st floor of the main reception to [the area] next to the TAPAS, under awnings, where they [the children] had dinner under the supervision of the employees and, at times, with their parents. The dinner ended at 17h30 the time at which the employee supervision ended and the parents took over watching the children in the play area until 18h30. Following this they returned to the apartment, the deponent opened the main door with his key and, then, the rear door through which KATE and the children entered.'

[Sherlock Holmes]

Some little ones are amazing what they will sleep thru.  Here we do not know how much of the noise actually surrounded them,  Doors can be shut to compartmentalize sound.  Kate was bound to be over anxious about them and would keep an extra eye on them, by frequent checks.



Personally, I have felt all three children had something slipped into their teatime drinks .... or possibly were given sweeties that were some sport of drugs.  This is the third time I have said this, but I will say it again.  Madeleine was sooooo tired at 5.35ish that they had to carry her back to the apartment.  That is very early considering that IIRC their bedtime was normally 7.45

Also each evening, the pattern had been to bath the children and get them in their jammies, then to take them to join up with the other children for a play on the climbing frame, slide etc for a while before going to bed.  That night they were too tired to go and play.

All these things indicate the likelyhood that some sort of drug was administered to them at Teatime, with possibly a double dose for Madeleine

OMO, but what do you think about it Anne?  Seems you know quite a lot about drugs and sedatives.

Could what I am saying make sense?

Why, if Madeleine was already very tired at 5.35 ish, would a sleeping drug have been necessary? Do you mean that it would have been given before that? As far as I understand, drugs such as melatonin that are often used for kids to get them sleepy don't take very long at all to take effect, and are normally given as part of the child's bed-time routine. If Madeleine had been given something earlier (you mention 'tea time'), she would have been struggling to keep her eyes open long enough to get through bath time. Was she sooo tired that she missed her bath that night?