Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?

[Angelo222]

How do you know how many times the McCanns have returned to Portugal?

It is very plain to see that their idea of searching is to farm it out to a third party while they get on with their own lives.  Maybe they should take some lessons from those people who have managed to search for their lost children on a shoe string, namely the Needhams and the Fitzpatricks.

[Angelo222]

They were being fitted up by currupt police officers?

or could it be that they were getting to the truth??

[AnneGuedes]

how many times have the McCanns been back to Portugal to search for Madeleine since she disappeared?

But, Angelo, when one has the talent to have things done or said without actually physically doing or saying them, why wouldn't one do or say things by proxy ?

[Benice]

What was it?   Two days after being made official suspects they high-tailed it out of Praia da Luz as quick as they could.  What does that tell you??

That they knew they were being fitted up?  So what would any sensible person do in those circumstances who knew they were innocent and were in a foreign country?   They also knew at that stage that Madeleine was no longer being searched for - so yet another reason not to stay.

Incidentally I believe Kate has made several trips back to PdL.  They made some good friends during their time there.    Contrary to popular belief by some sceptics she is not obliged to inform them of every move she makes.
 

[Angelo222]

How do you know how many times the McCanns returned to Portugal?

I said returned to search.   Do read my post.

[AnneGuedes]

Two days after being made official suspects they high-tailed it out of Praia da Luz as quick as they could.  What does that tell you??

It wasn't smart to "leave like thieves" (as we say in French). Those who had supported them for months were deceived (no good bye) and naturally started to figure out a possible involvement.

[Angelo222]

That they knew they were being fitted up?  So what would any sensible person do in those circumstances who knew they were innocent and were in a foreign country?   They also knew at that stage that Madeleine was no longer being searched for - so yet another reason not to stay.

Incidentally I believe Kate has made several trips back to PdL.  They made some good friends during their time there.    Contrary to popular belief by some sceptics she is not obliged to inform them of every move she makes.
 

The detectives were only doing their job since the evidence indicated that there might be more to the disappearance than first realised.   What always surprised me though was that they were even allowed to leave the country under the circumstances.

Could it be that they were shocked by the reaction of the crowd on the day of the arguido interviews in Portimao??   Far from making friends their were deemed to be pariahs.

[Benice]

They were being fitted up by currupt police officers?

Exactly.  Two of whom now have criminal records.  One for perjury and the other for torture!  So imo fitting the McCanns up would have been the 'obvious' ' way forward in their corrupt world.   How people can actually criticise the McCanns for leaving once they realised they were being framed by these crooks is totally incomprehensible to me. 

[Angelo222]

Exactly.  Two of whom now have criminal records.  One for perjury and the other for torture!  So imo fitting the McCanns up would have been the 'obvious' ' way forward in their corrupt world.   How people can actually criticise the McCanns for leaving once they realised they were being framed by these crooks is totally incomprehensible to me.

Lets face it...they bolted!!   

Why shouldn't they leave the country? What circumstances?

They got scared when the police started asking awkward questions.  They thought that they were about to be arrested thus why they made arrangements for family to look after the children just in case.

Notice how they never return to PdL together.

[Angelo222]

It wasn't smart to "leave like thieves" (as we say in French). Those who had supported them for months were deceived (no good bye) and naturally started to figure out a possible involvement.

One way or another that's certainly how it looked to the public.  The facts are they bolted and then went on a face saving campaign around the world using money which was supposed to have been used to SEARCH for Madeleine.

[AnneGuedes]

Lets face it...they bolted!!

And why would innocent people leave this way ? Were they scared these people who knew that the MP was supervising the investigation, who had permanent contact with their embassy and the UK consul, who had LPO and trusted them enough to ask one of them what they should say to the PJ ?

[Benice]

The detectives were only doing their job since the evidence indicated that there might be more to the disappearance than first realised.   What always surprised me though was that they were even allowed to leave the country under the circumstances.

Could it be that they were shocked by the reaction of the crowd on the day of the arguido interviews in Portimao??   Far from making friends their were deemed to be pariahs.

Why would they be shocked?  They had seen themselves made victims of a poisonous smear campaign in the press, aided and abetted by certain PJ officers.   Do you think they didn't know how that would affect the opinion of a proportion of the Portuguese population?   But not everyone in Portugal  held those opinions - and they did make some good friends over there.

As for the police 'only doing their job' - I'm afraid that is not an opinion I can share with you.   It is plain that some officers were honest decent policeman who did their level  best, but unfortunately not all.     IMO There were corrupt officers who just wanted a result - any result.  Innocence or guilt didn't really come into it as their subsequent criminal convictions for grossly abusing their power as police officers by the use of perjury and torture to 'get a result' was to prove.
 

[AnneGuedes]

The facts are they bolted and then went on a face saving campaign around the world using money which was supposed to have been used to SEARCH for Madeleine.

But they'll say the objective wasn't at all face saving but keeping high profile for Madeleine to be found ! What will be deduced from those unsuccessful high profile campaigns ?  That the proof is made they are of no use and shouldn't be repeated ? Or that no proof of nothing was achieved because Madeleine has probably gone from that planet 6 years ago ?

[Benice]

One way or another that's certainly how it looked to the public.  The facts are they bolted and then went on a face saving campaign around the world using money which was supposed to have been used to SEARCH for Madeleine.

Well I'm a member of the public and it didn't look like that to me - nor to thousands of others.   

Once again you fail to understand that to give Madeleine the very best chance of being found was to keep her profile as high as possible in the public's mind.    Why do you have such difficulty in accepting that?  It is what every expert on Missing People stress is the best possible use of time and money when searching for a loved one.   

[Angelo222]

Well I'm a member of the public and it didn't look like that to me - nor to thousands of others.   

Once again you fail to understand that to give Madeleine the very best chance of being found was to keep her profile as high as possible in the public's mind.    Why do you have such difficulty in accepting that?  It is what every expert on Missing People stress is the best possible use of time and money when searching for a loved one.

And it has achieved a big fat ZERO because she is most probably dead.

Question is BY WHOSE HAND?    Maybe SY will tell us in a few months time...not holding my breath though