Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?

[Lyall]

So glad that you are now agreeing that Amaral abdicated on his duty to try and find Madeleine.  He preferred to try and "fit up" the Mccanns. 

I ask myself,
1)  Why would this man be so keen to "fit people up"?

2)  Why did he decide the following morning after the abduction that The Mccanns dunit? Before seeing any evidence?

3)  Why did he put out, or allow out, propaganda against The Mccanns.  Same as he did with Leonor Cipriano.   Disgraceful

4)  Why did he rush through making The Mccanns arguidos?   Was it because the Law was being tightened up in a few days.  That he wouldn't be allowed to make them arguidos in a few days time cos he had nothing criminal against them?  Was it to save his face or something more sinister?

5)  Why did he, or officers under his command, lie to Gerry and tell him they had proof that Madeleines body had been carried inn the hire car .  A car that wasn't even in the Mccanns possesssion until weeks after Madeleine went missing

Oh and I could go on ... lots more questions

Do you have the same concerns about what happened to Mr Murat? Or just for Madeleine's parents?

[sadie]

Do you have the same concerns about what happened to Mr Murat? Or just for Madeleine's parents?

Of course I do, but he isn't being bullied by faceless cowards on the internet

[stephen25000]

Excellent post Benice 

To the point and concisely put

More examples of paranoid xenophobia.

[Lyall]

Of course I do, but he isn't being bullied by faceless cowards on the internet

He doesn't have the support behind him that Madeleine's parents do either. I really wouldn't worry about them. Start worrying if/when the press start asking questions again. But at the moment our efforts are blowing in the wind.

Have you never wondered why people are 'faceless' btw?

[Benice]

Could they say anything else when the Prime Minister unequivocally gave his position on the case in Parliament?

So do you think he ordered a whitewash Lyall?  If so - why would he take such a dangerous step in his career for who - in the greater scheme of things  - are little more than an ordinary couple from Leicestershire - when he had absolutely no need to.   To attempt to influence the outcome of the review would be political suicide if it ever came out.   So that makes no sense to me.

I'm sure he was fully briefed about the case before he made his decision, and like the rest of us he is entitled to his opinion.   IMO he has accepted the findings of the review - not influenced them.

[Lyall]

So do you think he ordered a whitewash Lyall?  If so - why would he take such a dangerous step in his career for who - in the greater scheme of things  - are little more than an ordinary couple from Leicestershire - when he had absolutely no need to.   To attempt to influence the outcome of the review would be political suicide if it ever came out.   So that makes no sense to me.

I'm sure he was fully briefed about the case before he made his decision, and like the rest of us he is entitled to his opinion.   IMO he has accepted the findings of the review - not influenced them.

What outcome/findings of the review? They haven't said anything other than that there are people they'd like to interview.

You obviously have a higher opinion of Mr Cameron than I do. The case has become embroiled in the struggle (the bitter struggle) over press regulation.

[Benice]

What outcome/findings of the review? They haven't said anything other than that there are people they'd like to interview.

You obviously have a higher opinion of Mr Cameron than I do. The case has become embroiled in the struggle (the bitter struggle) over press regulation.

LOL - I'm afraid I do not have a high opinion of any politicians Lyall.    However one thing I am sure about is that they would not willingly take any steps which might jeopardise their own positions of power - and for Cameron to order a whitewash would be doing exactly that - as it could come back and bite him on the derriere.  That's not a risk he would take IMO.

The findings of the review thus far IMO is that they have been able to eliminate the McCanns and their friends from the equation.     That seems pretty substantial to me.

[sadie]

Well as he is part of the review team, he is.

What's he got to do with
RE: Why did Amaral and the PJ designate the McCanns and Murat as official suspects?  That is the topic in question

Didn't think C.I. Redwood was even in PT at the time

[Lyall]

LOL - I'm afraid I do not have a high opinion of any politicians Lyall.    However one thing I am sure about is that they would not willingly take any steps which might jeopardise their own positions of power - and for Cameron to order a whitewash would be doing exactly that - as it could come back and bite him on the derriere.  That's not a risk he would take IMO.

The findings of the review thus far IMO is that they have been able to eliminate the McCanns and their friends from the equation.     That seems pretty substantial to me.

I think that risk is the least of Mr Cameron's concerns, don't you? He has far closer links to other people soon to be in court.

I don't say he's 'ordered' anything. I read the words of the retiring DCS Campbell in the Standard to be effectively saying we don't know anymore now than they knew in 2008.

So if the efforts of the professionals are still inconclusive, politicians can take any stance they wish to.

[Angelo222]

As already pointed out there were several reasons why Mr Amaral and his team of detectives including those who had been seconded from Lisbon were suspicious of the McCanns within days of the disappearance. Amaral freely admits in his book that he was reluctant to tell his superiors about his concerns in case it jeopardised the entire investigation. In reality there were two investigations taking place, one to find an abductor who may have taken Madeleine and another into the actions of the parents.

To get back to events which are evidenced and witnessed.   The man whom Jane Tanner saw striding confidently away from the direction of the apartment that night has never come forward.  If he exists there is every reason to believe he was carrying Madeleine.  But why was he carrying her away from the apartment?

[sadie]

As already pointed out there were several reasons why Mr Amaral and his team of detectives including those who had been seconded from Lisbon were suspicious of the McCanns within days of the disappearance. Amaral freely admits in his book that he was reluctant to tell his superiors about his concerns in case it jeopardised the entire investigation. In reality there were two investigations taking place, one to find an abductor who may have taken Madeleine and another into the actions of the parents.

To get back to events which are evidenced and witnessed.   The man whom Jane Tanner saw striding confidently away from the direction of the apartment that night has never come forward.  If he exists there is every reason to believe he was carrying Madeleine.  But why was he carrying her away from the apartment?

Obvious.  He had stolen her. 

But then I would expect you to object.

Tin hat on.  Am waiting and will do my best to analyse what you are saying

[Angelo222]

Obvious.  He had stolen her. 

But then I would expect you to object.

Tin hat on.  Am waiting and will do my best to analyse what you are saying

But you cannot say that Sadie as there is no proof of that happening.  The crime has yet to be determined.

[sadie]

But you cannot say that Sadie as there is no proof of that happening.  The crime has yet to be determined.

Witnesses Angelo

In any other crime in the World a golden witness like Jane would be taken seriously.

Other witnesses and events back her up ... and you know that.  It has been gone over several times

[faithlilly]

Witnesses Angelo

In any other crime in the World a golden witness like Jane would be taken seriously.

Other witnesses and events back her up ... and you know that.  It has been gone over several times

Tanner's 'evidence' wasn't credible and that is why Rebelo wanted to stage a reconstruction so desperately.

[sadie]

Tanner's 'evidence' wasn't credible and that is why Rebelo wanted to stage a reconstruction so desperately.

Would you care to analyse exactly what, in Jane Tanners evidence, wasn't credible?