For Albertini ...

[Mr Gray]

Albertini
So... if they had demonstrated their innocence to the satisfaction of the Portuguese would they have been cleared

[Albertini]

Albertini
So... if they had demonstrated their innocence to the satisfaction of the Portuguese would they have been cleared

Let me know when you understand the difference between judicial clearance and ruling themselves out of an investigation.

Then we'll talk.

[Mr Gray]

Let me know when you understand the difference between judicial clearance and ruling themselves out of an investigation.

Then we'll talk.

that wasn't the answer you gave yesterday, yesterday you said

"As i have said to you before had their innocence been demonstrated either directly or indirectly then they would have been cleared of involvement"

Cant seem to make your mind up

When you give completely different answers to the same question you have no credibility.

[Mr Gray]

Let me know when you understand the difference between judicial clearance and ruling themselves out of an investigation.

Then we'll talk.

OK So what does ruling yourself out of the investigation mean.

[Jean-Pierre]

Davel is correct.

A charitable interpretation is that you are confused by simple legal concepts, Albertini.  Such as innocent until proved guilty.

Those less charitable may suggest that you are playing morbid games at the expense of a missing little girl and her grieving parents.  Playing to the gallery for your adoring fan... sorry - that should have read fans. 

[Mr Gray]

There was no need at all to be so rude.

Don't worry Lace ..the phrase... I'm sorry but you appear to be as thick as a whale omelette....is from blackadder and is spoken by George.... who isn't very clever

The first incarnation of the character was a caricature of George, Prince of Wales. The second, Lt. The Hon. George Colthurst St Barleigh, was a young officer in the British Army during World War I. Both portrayals were of "dim-witted upper-class twits",[1][2] who depended greatly on Edmund Blackadder (Rowan Atkinson). The character garnered positive responses from critics.

[John]

Can I ask a question guys?

Does anyone know if the presumption of innocence under the law is the same in Portugal as it is under English Law?  8-)(--)

I ask because much has been said about the parents having to prove their innocence yet this is not required under English Law.  Could it be that this issue is more of a moral dilemma rather than a legal one?

[AnneGuedes]

Can I ask a question guys?

Does anyone know if the presumption of innocence under the law is the same in Portugal as it is under English Law?  8-)(--)

The principle of presumption of innocence is cautioned by many texts : it appears in the 1789 statement of the rights of man, in the European convention on human rights and, since a 2000 law, is ahead in the penal proceeding code.

[Chinagirl]

What is meant by "cautioned by many texts?" 

[Jean-Pierre]

Can I ask a question guys?

Does anyone know if the presumption of innocence under the law is the same in Portugal as it is under English Law?  8-)(--)

I ask because much has been said about the parents having to prove their innocence yet this is not required under English Law.  Could it be that this issue is more of a moral dilemma rather than a legal one?

John - yes.  The principle is broadly the same in the UK and in Portugal. 

The alternative would be a presumption of guilt, and the necessity to prove ones innocence. 

[AnneGuedes]

Actually the presumption of guilt could make sense in certain particularly unbalanced situations. What if one the most powerful men on the planet is accused by one of the less powerful women on the planet to have forced her sexually ?
This was a real case : DSK vs ND

[Outlook]

So what you are syaing is that posts should be moderated which quote the AG report?

What sort of Maoist dictator are you? Perhaps you have spent too much time in China as you appear to have a problem with freedom of speech relating to a statement made in the Archving Report of the offical PJ investigation.

Let me ask you the same question:

What do you think the paragraph regarding about them losiing the possibility to prove their innocence means?

And in answer to this point:
Yes clearly they do because it specifically said so in the AG report!!

How many times do you have to be told what the AG report actually says!

Anyone who resorts to racism loses the argument and condemns themselves from their own mouth.

What an ignorant self-centred thread!

[Albertini]

OK So what does ruling yourself out of the investigation mean.

Ask the Attorney General Of Portugal. He said it in his archiving report.

[Albertini]

Davel is correct.

A charitable interpretation is that you are confused by simple legal concepts, Albertini.  Such as innocent until proved guilty.

Those less charitable may suggest that you are playing morbid games at the expense of a missing little girl and her grieving parents.  Playing to the gallery for your adoring fan... sorry - that should have read fans.

I am still waiting for your explaination please as to what the AG of Portugal meant in his report when he said the McCann's had failed to prove their innocence.

[Albertini]

Those less charitable may suggest that you are playing morbid games at the expense of a missing little girl and her grieving parents.  Playing to the gallery for your adoring fan... sorry - that should have read fans.

What utter pompous twaddle, as is your norm.

Remember, this is what the AG of Protugal said twice along with the Assistant Chief Constable Of Leicestershire Police in open court.

Let's have your explanation for it.