For Albertini ...

[Carana]

I don't, actually, certainly not at the beginning. They didn't know back in May, at least, that the PJ leaked like a sieve.

I've just flicked through Kate's account of the 4 May interviews and Gerry's one (with Kate at the station) on 10 May. There is no mention that the PJ ever asked to see their phones, so perhaps the PJ didn't check after all. How odd.

[sadie]

I don't, actually, certainly not at the beginning. They didn't know back in May, at least, that the PJ leaked like a sieve.

I've just flicked through Kate's account of the 4 May interviews and Gerry's one (with Kate at the station) on 10 May. There is no mention that the PJ ever asked to see their phones, so perhaps the PJ didn't check after all. How odd.

Only this last week Carana, I read that Kate and Gerry soon were questioning the PJ in the very early days, but only in private.  Their public face was of praise of the PJ.  Obviously they wanted to keep on the right side of them in order that they would put maximum effort in searching for Madeleine.

Some hopes  with Amaral at the helm.  I feel so sorry for the ordinary PJ policeman who put so much effotrt into the search.

[Albertini]

It is very simple and Im sure you are the only poster on the forum who doesn't understand. Read the following

From Blacks Law Dictionary


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What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY?


a verdict declaring the case is not proven against the defendant. It does not mean he is innocent.
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Law Dictionary: What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY? definition of VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY (Black's Law Dictionary) http://thelawdictionary.org/verdict-of-not-guilty/#ixzz2c2jzJIJT

You thought you made a clever remark, I quote
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David, please try and understand what you are cutting and pasting before you do so.

For those with an eye for detail Albertini has made a fool of himself again

No because you don't understand what it means in context.

Next question for you.

Please explain the following. How can the following statements both be true:

innocent until proven guilty.

What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY?
a verdict declaring the case is not proven against the defendant. It does not mean he is innocent.

I would like your explanation and understanding of these two contrasting and contradictory statements.

[Eleanor]

Is any of this going to help?  The McCanns are innocent and have never even been arrested let alone charged.

[Mr Gray]

innocent till proven guilty...means that then accused has a presumption of innocence...this does not mean he is innocent

Do you understand that.

[Mr Gray]

Albertini..are you English...is English your first language..this may be the problem

[Mr Gray]

lets take it one step at a time..what do YOU think this means

From Blacks Law Dictionary


.
What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY?


a verdict declaring the case is not proven against the defendant. It does not mean he is innocent.
.

Law Dictionary: What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY? definition of VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY (Black's Law Dictionary) http://thelawdictionary.org/verdict-of-not-guilty/#ixzz2c2jzJIJT

[Albertini]

innocent till proven guilty...means that then accused has a presumption of innocence...this does not mean he is innocent

Do you understand that.

So if the accused is not proven guilty then does he remain "innocent" under law?

[Albertini]

lets take it one step at a time..what do YOU think this means

From Blacks Law Dictionary


.
What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY?


a verdict declaring the case is not proven against the defendant. It does not mean he is innocent.
.

Law Dictionary: What is VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY? definition of VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY (Black's Law Dictionary) http://thelawdictionary.org/verdict-of-not-guilty/#ixzz2c2jzJIJT

Well if you answer my repy first we can then move onto that.

[Mr Gray]

So if the accused is not proven guilty then does he remain "innocent" under law?

What do you mean by innocent under law. What is the definition. We need to know we are talking about the same thing.

[Mr Gray]

innocent till proven guilty...means that then accused has a presumption of innocence...this does not mean he is innocent

Do you understand that.

This is my answer

[Albertini]

What do you mean by innocent under law. What is the definition. We need to know we are talking about the same thing.

That if you are "innocent until proven guilty" (as we both agree), and you go to trial and your guilt isn't proven you status on those charges remains as innocent.

[Mr Gray]

That if you are "innocent until proven guilty" (as we both agree), and you go to trial and your guilt isn't proven you status on those charges remains as innocent.

no....you are getting confused with innocent and the presumption of innocence. they are not the same

[Albertini]

no....you are getting confused with innocent and the presumption of innocence. they are not the same

So then if the accused is found not guilty then the presumption of innocence remains, right?

[Mr Gray]

So then if the accused is found not guilty then the presumption of innocence remains, right?

I have already posted this. Correct