Why Madeleine ?

[stephen25000]

1)  These facts are not proof af an abduction, but are a damned strong pointer.
2)  With Jane Tanners witnessing the abduction
3)  Caroline Carpenters audio evidence
4)  The Smiths sighting ...
5) and 6)  SY and the AG saying that they do not think The Mccanns guilty of any criminal acts
7)  The fact that Amaral and many many of his officers are Arguidos or have been found as criminals
8)  The Mccanns and associates have an absolutely clean sheet
9)  There is visual and witness evidence of their love for their children
10)  ...and everything else ...


.....I am staggered that you, Stephen, a man who professes to support Madeleine, cannot see the significance of all these things


... and at least have a question mark in your mind.

You see what you want to see.

P.S. Tanner's 'sighting' isn't proof of an abduction.

[sadie]

Open your eyes Stephen



And you missed the other bits

Quote from: stephen25000 on Today at 08:08:16 PM

That doesn't prove Madeleine was abducted ?

How many other children were in that area at the time, and were young 'blonde haired' girls ?

sadie

Of course it doesn't but it is a pointer that should not be ignored

If you remember Stephen, early on in this forum, I went over the eight stranger abductions of pre pubescent (under 15 y.o.) children in PT.  All eight of them either fell in the Porto area or in the PDL/Lagos area.  There was a bunch of 4 of them in an area of 32 miles across in the Porto area and a bunch of 4 of them (including Carolina) in the Lagos area in an area no more than about 25 miles across.

NO other stranger abductions of pre pubescent children in the whole of mainland PT.  Pt is not as big as England but it is well over half the size, so two little clumps of abductions, alone in that vast area. 

One clump, 32 miles across, in Porto in the period 1991 to 1999 + an odd abduction in the Algarve region in 1996.

Then there was a break of 5 years before it all started up again.  This time 300 miles away from Porto, in the Algarve centred, more or less, on Lagos /PdL. 

1)  Joana Cipriano in Sept. 2004 and only 7 miles from PdL
2)  Carolina Santos on 25th  Dec. 2006, and only about 18 miles from PdL  .... but this abduction was frustrated and Carolina was saved.

This man had been needing/ wanting a child every 2 years on average and Carolinas abduction didn't finalise in his favour.

Madeleine was taken under 5 months later after the Carolina attempt ... and 2 years and 7 months after Joana disappeared.

The Historical pattern is there in the Algarve, as it had been in the Porto region

[sadie]

and you missed this bit too.

The reason for the five year break in the middle?  According to a forum that i read, the PJ  picked up a man in , or near, Porto in 1999/2000.  The son of an elite, he was interrogated  and IIRC was charged (not absolutely sure of that ... possibly made an Arguido).  However, according to this forum, he was released with just a warning.  I wonder who was important enough to (aparantly from this posters words) pull strings to get him off?

Everything was whooshed about this forum post as soon as i mentioned it, on a Madeleine forum.  Someone reading must have wioped it out.

Catkins, in her research, also found stuff about this man who was let of with just a warning.


So historically stephen, here we have a series of abductions that had moved from Porto to the Algarve ... and this man was overdue with his wanting a child.

[stephen25000]

and you missed this bit too.

None of that proves Madeleine was abducted.

[sadie]

None of that proves Madeleine was abducted.

No, but there are extremely strong pointers and you are being plain stubborn in not accepting that.

[puglove]

Why don't you shut down this Madeleine forum then?

It's not up to me. But if it was, I would. You're not getting anywhere, and you're making a very unhappy, demolished woman feel even more broken.

[faithlilly]

Well, it would appear that this is the only forum left to you lot, so I'd make the most of it, if I was you. I, for one, am sickened by the way that you pick over the bones, and try to score points. How you can get pleasure from the loss of a lovely child is beyond me. Stupid comments, and in-fighting, bitching and squabbling.....what a disgrace. Not one of you lot has done anything practical to find that little girl. Massive shame.

I'm sure the Adrian Prout supporters would have posted something similar when concerns were raised that he may be guilty after all.

[puglove]

I agree.

Talk to your collegues then shona.

Well, what can I say.

We haven't got one wrong yet. We're just really good at what we do!!

[puglove]

Prove it.

Okley dokley.

The Bamber case. How long have you got?  Because we solved that one.

What else do you want to know?

[puglove]

Perhaps it's me who's naive, then. But I don't see Kerry Needham or Denise Bulger running marathons, or chatting to Lorraine Kelly, or gurning into a camera every couple of weeks.

[Lace]

Perhaps it's me who's naive, then. But I don't see Kerry Needham or Denise Bulger running marathons, or chatting to Lorraine Kelly, or gurning into a camera every couple of weeks.

I don't see the McCann's chatting to Lorraine Kelly or gurning into the camera every couple of weeks either Shona.

I see the McCann's give a statement whenever anything is said by SY or whenever an anniversary of the abduction of Madeleine is in the newspaper,   if they didn't then that would be something else that would be wrong wouldn't it?

You obviously dislike the McCann's and you are singling them out from other parents of missing children to voice your dislike of them which I find is very nasty of you.

[Carana]

Perhaps it's me who's naive, then. But I don't see Kerry Needham or Denise Bulger running marathons, or chatting to Lorraine Kelly, or gurning into a camera every couple of weeks.

Denise Bulger, sadly, is the parent of a murdered child.

I had not actually heard of many cases of missing, presumed abducted, children until the Madeleine case.

Some of these other children disappeared decades ago. There weren't many ways of keeping a child's profile high in the absence of significant developments to report as news on TV, radio or in newspapers.

The high level of media attention concerning Madeleine's disappearance, together with the explosion of social media, has given other families more opportunities to remind the public of their own missing loved ones.

At the same time, they must also be acutely aware of the downside of so much interest and are no doubt wary of finding themselves in the same position.

[Mr Moderator]

This thread is titled "Why Madeleine?".   In line with forum policy I am removing all posts which stray from this subject.

[DCI]

Perhaps it's me who's naive, then. But I don't see Kerry Needham or Denise Bulger running marathons, or chatting to Lorraine Kelly, or gurning into a camera every couple of weeks.

Perhaps not Shona. But Kerry Needham and Denise Bulger have their own funds set up. They have both used This Morning recently

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/kerry-needham-ben-needham-disappearance/

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/james-bulgers-mum-denise-fergus/

And Lorraine Kelly

www.thesun.co.uk/.../lorrainekelly/.../Why-have-the-Bulger-family-been-ig...

2 Aug 2013 - By LORRAINE KELLY...The bereaved parents of James, Ralph Bulger and Denise Fergus, made passionate pleas to the authorities to keep  ...

Ben was outside playing by himself, he was 21 months old.
Jamie was taken from under Denise's nose, he was 2 yrs old.

They have both written books, so has Jamie's birth father.

So why are these parents different to Kate and Gerry?

Before I get slated by for comparing Kerry and Denise, I wasn't the one who bought the subject into the thread.

[faithlilly]

Perhaps not Shona. But Kerry Needham and Denise Bulger have their own funds set up. They have both used This Morning recently

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/kerry-needham-ben-needham-disappearance/

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/james-bulgers-mum-denise-fergus/

And Lorraine Kelly

www.thesun.co.uk/.../lorrainekelly/.../Why-have-the-Bulger-family-been-ig...

2 Aug 2013 - By LORRAINE KELLY...The bereaved parents of James, Ralph Bulger and Denise Fergus, made passionate pleas to the authorities to keep  ...

Ben was outside playing by himself, he was 21 months old.
Jamie was taken from under Denise's nose, he was 2 yrs old.

They have both written books, so has Jamie's birth father.

So why are these parents different to Kate and Gerry?

Before I get slated by for comparing Kerry and Denise, I wasn't the one who bought the subject into the thread.

Ah DCI, the poor man's 'gilet'