The DNA results used to implicate the McCanns revisited.

[sadie]

Madeleine's DNA was never identified.. This people's DNA was identified..

Plus these people are alive.. Why was Eddie seeing them as dead?

Brilliant point VIXTE.  Yep, why was Eddie seeing them as dead?

[Silkywhiskers]

Components of Madeleines DNA?

Are you referring to the components that according to the FSS are common in a high proprtion of us ?

If I am wrong, please can you identify your source.

Oh yes that's right.

"Only" 15/19 alleles.

Tell me, which deceased member of the population laid in the McCann wardrobe and car?

[sadie]

Oh yes that's right.

"Only" 15/19 alleles.

Tell me, which deceased member of the population laid in the McCann wardrobe and car?

Whatever the number , they are the same number of Alleles as a huge section of the population.

Try and get your facts right please Swiskers.

[VIXTE]

Oh yes that's right.

"Only" 15/19 alleles.

Tell me, which deceased member of the population laid in the McCann wardrobe and car?

FSS cannot distinguish the if the particulars were dead or alive..
Eddie also pointed at the car fob, on the fob Gerry's DNA was found,, and Gerry is ALIVE..

OUTROS APENSOS I, volume II
Pages 300 to 326
Witness Deposition
(Criminal Procedure Rules, r27.1 (1);
Criminal Justice Act 1967, s.9; Magistrates' Courts Act 1980, s.5B)
Deposition of: JOHN ROBERT LOWE BSc CBiol MlBiol RFP Age: Older than 18
Profession of Witness: Forensic Scientist
Address of Witness:
Forensic Science Service Ltd.,
Birmingham Laboratory, Priory House, Gooch Street North,
Birmingham, B5 6QQ
With respect to:
References FSS: 300 655 190 / 400 947 125
References Client: 07/06085, 201/07.0GALGS
CJS URN:
Conclusion
In my opinion, the laboratory results that were attained did not help to clarify whether or not the DNA results obtained within the scope of this case were from Madeleine McCann.

[Silkywhiskers]

FSS cannot distinguish the if the particulars were dead or alive..
Eddie also pointed at the car fob, on the fob Gerry's DNA was found,, and Gerry is ALIVE..

OUTROS APENSOS I, volume II
Pages 300 to 326
Witness Deposition
(Criminal Procedure Rules, r27.1 (1);
Criminal Justice Act 1967, s.9; Magistrates' Courts Act 1980, s.5B)
Deposition of: JOHN ROBERT LOWE BSc CBiol MlBiol RFP Age: Older than 18
Profession of Witness: Forensic Scientist
Address of Witness:
Forensic Science Service Ltd.,
Birmingham Laboratory, Priory House, Gooch Street North,
Birmingham, B5 6QQ
With respect to:
References FSS: 300 655 190 / 400 947 125
References Client: 07/06085, 201/07.0GALGS
CJS URN:
Conclusion
In my opinion, the laboratory results that were attained did not help to clarify whether or not the DNA results obtained within the scope of this case were from Madeleine McCann.

To be admissible in trial, DNA has to be 100%.

If the certainty is only 99% it cannot be used at trial as "proof", but even an idiot would realise that its a darn good indicator.

The DNA in this case is only around 80% certainty.  This 20% window is constantly used as "proof of innocence" by Team McCann - much like the 20% doubt Mr Smith had that it was Gerry he saw.

Now, if I win lotto, and have to share it with 4 other people, I have still won lotto!

The wonderful thing about science is the advances constantly being made.  Low copy DNA, which has presented us with a 20% doubt, will soon be capable of 100% certainty.  End of loophole.

So can someone tell me - which female child of Kate and Gerry laid around long enough to decompose?

Not Amelie, she made it out alive....

[AnneGuedes]

So she died in 5a?


The burglar stole a dead child?

No, he took his DNA with him. Post-modern burglars know about DNA and cellphones' pings.

[VIXTE]

No, he took his DNA with him. Post-modern burglars know about DNA and cellphones' pings.

IMO his phone was pinged.. and if he moved from 5A to the place of Smiths sighting it is possible he 'changed' mobile phone towers.. my search showed 2 towers in PDL..

[Silkywhiskers]

You are making very serious allegations there SWiskers, intimating that Madeleine decomposed in 5A

And you still haven't provided me with a scenario that accounts for the DNA at the cadaver alert sites!

[sadie]

so sue him!

Thats for the Mccanns if they can be bothered with him

[sadie]

And you still haven't provided me with a scenario that accounts for the DNA at the cadaver alert sites!

Why should I?  I dont believe that there is any cadavar proof ... and neither did the PJ

[VIXTE]

If the cadaver dog reaction to the car was for cadaver body scent you are right but i cant see a scenario where the mccanns moved her body in their car three weeks later, but perhaps it was contamination

the dog point at the car fob - it comes out as a live person's dna
the dog points at tiles behind the sofa - it is a live person's dna
the dog points at wardrobe - inconclusive

What is the probability that the wardrobe's dna is a dna of a dead person?

[sadie]

the dog point at the car fob - it comes out as an live person's dna
the dog points at tiles behind the sofa - it is an live person's dna
the dog points at wardrobe - unconclusive

What is the probability that the wardrobe's dna is a dna of a dead person?

Exactly !

[AnneGuedes]

If the cadaver dog reaction to the car was for cadaver body scent you are right but i cant see a scenario where the mccanns moved her body in their car three weeks later, but perhaps it was contamination

Contamination likely. I can't see such a scenario either. What for ? To insure some holy burial ?  It seems Roman Catholics believe it's required for resurrection.

[Benice]

To be admissible in trial, DNA has to be 100%.

If the certainty is only 99% it cannot be used at trial as "proof", but even an idiot would realise that its a darn good indicator.

The DNA in this case is only around 80% certainty.  This 20% window is constantly used as "proof of innocence" by Team McCann - much like the 20% doubt Mr Smith had that it was Gerry he saw.

Now, if I win lotto, and have to share it with 4 other people, I have still won lotto!

The wonderful thing about science is the advances constantly being made.  Low copy DNA, which has presented us with a 20% doubt, will soon be capable of 100% certainty.  End of loophole.

So can someone tell me - which female child of Kate and Gerry laid around long enough to decompose?

Not Amelie, she made it out alive....

I don't remember percentages being quoted by the FSS?   Can you provide the cite please?

You don't have to be dead to leave DNA around btw.

As Madeleine inherited her DNA from her parents, then if their DNA was in the car which is highly likely - it would obviously produce the same components as in Madeleine's DNA.    There could also be components of other family members DNA present in the sample.

I believe there were 37 components in total found in the sample - not 19 as some people keep trying to claim.

[Redblossom]

the dog point at the car fob - it comes out as a live person's dna
the dog points at tiles behind the sofa - it is a live person's dna

If you want to be exact then none of that is true