The DNA results used to implicate the McCanns revisited.

[Redblossom]

If the key passed some time in Mrs McCann's famous pants (her favourite according to the pictures), it could have been contaminated.

Yes, the point is we just dont know, even mr Grime offers both possibilities vis a vis the car , ie blood or cadaver scent contaminant (but not re the apartment)****

@John
I havent got a link but Im pretty sure in Portugal the dna marker match requirement is extremely high, 18 or 19 , I will see if I can find it


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Report after car searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent' 
contaminant or human blood scent. 

Report regarding home searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent 
contamination. 

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, the point is we just dont know, even mr Grime offers both possibilities vis a vis the car , ie blood or cadaver scent contaminant (but not re the apartment)****

@John
I havent got a link but Im pretty sure in Portugal the dna marker match requirement is extremely high, 18 or 19 , I will see if I can find it


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Report after car searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent'
contaminant or human blood scent.

Report regarding home searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination.

Cadaver scent contaminant. Mr Grime could hardly say more since no substance was found.

[VIXTE]

If you are going to post can you make sure you get your facts right and/or give links

- Eddie did not alert to three places in the apartment behind the sofa which is the area where you post about, vis a vis dna found, he made one alert in the general area and no ones knows if he was alerting to cadaver scent or blood

Are you sure? Eddie did actually alert behind the sofa

In apartment 5A:
* between 20h16 (typing error in the report shows 21h16) and 20h30 the "cadaver" dog alerted:
- at 20h20 in the area of the wardrobe of the main bedroom
- at 20h22 in the lounge, specifically behind the sofa next to the window that overlooks the street.

- Eddie did not alert to dna profiles

True. But the places where Eddie alerted were sent to the lab to investigate why Eddie alerted there.. This was the purpose of Eddie.. to pinpoint the places which the labs later investigate.

- There were no three almost full dna profiles

Yes there were

On the samples three DNA profiles were identified:
- A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card(286C/2007-CRL(12)).
- 286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment ... In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
- 286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2...In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.

- There was a mixed sample from more than one person where confirmed markers matched Madeleines

Markers never matched Madeleine. Can you point the place in the files where it is confirmed that the markers matched Madeleine?

- Please stop saying Eddie alerts to living humans

Eddie does do that.. because Eddie also alerts to dried blood from live humans

- Material was collected around the areas Keela alerted to, she alerts to blood, thats the only reason swabs were taken, which may have included remnant dna from non bleeders

That is not in the files, it is your own opinion.

- The key fob also did not contain a full dna profile

True, it was incomplete, but FSS said it matched Gerry.

Bit of a dogs dinner isnt it?

Yes. A bit.

ETA

BTW it s not a myth that Madeleines dna profile was sent from the UK to Portugal, it is a fact! Her profile was extracted from a pillowcase retrieved from home and sent around 22/05/07

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

Thank you.. but where does it say in that link that Madeleine's DNA was obtained from the UK?
I do remember newspapers reports about Gerry going to UK for this reason but I don't remember seeing it anywhere in the files.

[icabodcrane]

Yes, the point is we just dont know, even mr Grime offers both possibilities vis a vis the car , ie blood or cadaver scent contaminant (but not re the apartment)****

@John
I havent got a link but Im pretty sure in Portugal the dna marker match requirement is extremely high, 18 or 19 , I will see if I can find it


****
Report after car searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent'
contaminant or human blood scent.

Report regarding home searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination.

Thanks for that Red

I did not know that Martin Grimes had made that important distinction between the cadaver dog's alerts to the car and those he made in the McCanns apartment

[VIXTE]

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent'
contaminant or human blood scent.

And which is it?
Out of 4 times Eddie alerted 3 times to a human blood - or whatever.. but human
4th time is inconclusive.
So you are arguing that this 4th time is the cadaver scent?
Why would it be? Why cannot it be human 'scent' as previous 3 times ( Gerry plus 2 officers)
How much probability that would be mathematically?

[Silkywhiskers]

And which is it?
Out of 4 times Eddie alerted 3 times to a human blood - or whatever.. but human
4th time is inconclusive.
So you are arguing that this 4th time is the cadaver scent?
Why would it be? Why cannot it be human 'scent' as previous 3 times ( Gerry plus 2 officers)
How much probability that would be mathematically?

Why do you struggle so much with the Cadaver dog locating Cadaver?

Why is it so impossible in your world?

Many police forces rely on EVRD dogs daily.  Why is Eddie the only one who is unreliable?

[VIXTE]

Why do you struggle so much with the Cadaver dog locating Cadaver?

Why is it so impossible in your world?

Many police forces rely on EVRD dogs daily.  Why is Eddie the only one who is unreliable?

Eddie pointed out at  the fob with Gerry's DNA and to two places where the two DNAs from the police officers were found. Are they dead?

[Silkywhiskers]

Eddie pointed out at  the fob with Gerry's DNA and to two places where the two DNAs from the police officers were found. Are they dead?

Of course you have a link for that, which you are going to supply to back up that allegation?

[VIXTE]

Of course you have a link for that, which you are going to supply to back up that allegation?

Oh I posted it 100 times since yesterday.. have a look back and you will find it..

[VIXTE]

Here you go.. a summary:

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078028/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2029

[VIXTE]

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The link has all the PJ files links.. one by one..

[VIXTE]

Of course you have a link for that, which you are going to supply to back up that allegation?

On the samples three DNA profiles were identified:
- A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card(286C/2007-CRL(12)).
- 286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment ... In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
- 286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2...In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.
 
All three of the above mentioned people are (were at the time) still very much alive. Fernando Viegas and Lino Henriques are Portuguese Forensic experts.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#p10p2617-2623

[Silkywhiskers]

On the samples three DNA profiles were identified:
- A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card(286C/2007-CRL(12)).
- 286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment ... In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
- 286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2...In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.
 
All three of the above mentioned people are (were at the time) still very much alive. Fernando Viegas and Lino Henriques are Portuguese Forensic experts.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#p10p2617-2623

*sigh*

I'll try to explain the flaw in your logic with small words.

Cadaver is not DNA.

Cadaver was indicated on the items

If a person touches a body, say while lugging it into a car, then he touches a set of keys, the Cadaver will transfer from his hands onto the keys.

He may or may not transfer his own DNA too, if he was sweating it is likely he did.

Do you follow?  The Cadaver alert did not relate to a live person, it relates to what a live person had just touched.

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[VIXTE]

*sigh*

I'll try to explain the flaw in your logic with small words.

Cadaver is not DNA.

Cadaver was indicated on the items

If a person touches a body, say while lugging it into a car, then he touches a set of keys, the Cadaver will transfer from his hands onto the keys.

He may or may not transfer his own DNA too, if he was sweating it is likely he did.

Do you follow?  The Cadaver alert did not relate to a live person, it relates to what a live person had just touched.

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Nonsense.
If you believe that, three months after Madeleine disappeared, then I don't know what to say..

Eddie alerts on blood too.. so how do you know YOU know it ain't blood but 'the scent'

[Silkywhiskers]

Nonsense.
If you believe that, three months after Madeleine disappeared, then I don't know what to say..

Eddie alerts on blood too.. so how do you know YOU know it ain't blood but 'the scent'

Because the PJ files say so.