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Offline Chinagirl

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2013, 04:34:49 AM »
Anne said:  Next week I can try and ask GA's lawyer why the judge rejected the no media request.

Did this  not take place in open court, Anne?  I mean Amaral's request and the judge's refusal?  If so, how then is it known about?

I hope you are able to speak to Amaral's lawyer, and I await your report back with interest.
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stephen25000

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2013, 07:50:41 AM »
What an absolute disgrace...it seems an argument over the length of the lunchbreak has caused the loss of half a day.......no wonder they are derided and referred to as sardine munchers

Things not going the Mccanns way then ?

So the insults start flying ?

Xenophobia starts again ?

So let's consider the continental view of the British abroad........

For the average male---------   'A  shaven headed beer swilling drunk, who urinates in the street'

Do you like that davel ?



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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2013, 08:30:46 AM »
from 1.29

« Last Edit: September 14, 2013, 08:32:24 AM by Redblossom »

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2013, 08:46:10 AM »
 The reason they wanted the court case to be private is because they don't know if Madeleine is dead or alive?


So Amaral thinks she could be alive?


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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2013, 11:32:18 AM »
That's interesting Anne

Was Amaral's lawyer pointing out that it was the McCanns becoming arguido that lead to the change in public opinion,  rather than Amaral's book,  do you think  ?
I don't know whether he was expecting some stats, but the "no ideia" answer allowed him to deduce that AMB was just giving his opinion, which AMB confirmed after some silence and hesitation.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2013, 11:48:30 AM »
The reason they wanted the court case to be private is because they don't know if Madeleine is dead or alive?


So Amaral thinks she could be alive?
I vaguely heard that the issue was to respect Madeleine's name, but I don't know from where that came. Now I know, thanks to Redblossom.
When the lawyer says "we don't know whether Madeleine is dead or alive", he's stating a fact, not his opinion.
What would have made sense, but this only occurred to me when I saw the UK TV news on Thursday night, had been to force the media to refer to the trial inexplicitly.
It was paradoxical to listen David Trickey's claiming the discovery by the twins of the alleged death of her sister and covering up would be highly traumatic unless it was introduced by their parents and listen the UK reporters on many channels openly speaking of the issue.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2013, 12:02:44 PM by AnneGuedes »

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2013, 11:52:58 AM »
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The blond lady is GA's lawyer's assistant and the lady who passes in front of her is Guerra & Paz's lawyer.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2013, 11:55:38 AM by AnneGuedes »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2013, 11:57:11 AM »
Imagine the judge had an heart attack. This is possible, I don't know what happened. How do you dare ?

its pretty obvious what happened...the judge threw her dummy out of the pram

Lyall

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2013, 11:58:14 AM »
The reason they wanted the court case to be private is because they don't know if Madeleine is dead or alive?


So Amaral thinks she could be alive?

Probably. Looks like his lawyer does. The book was never intended to 'prove' she died - the documentary may be more provocative, but that's TV: it's on the same kind of level as Nancy Grace's shows.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2013, 11:58:54 AM »
Things not going the Mccanns way then ?

So the insults start flying ?

Xenophobia starts again ?

So let's consider the continental view of the British abroad........

For the average male---------   'A  shaven headed beer swilling drunk, who urinates in the street'



Do you like that davel ?

I don't see this from brits when I go abroad...perhaps you go to lower class resorts...you sound very xenophobic
« Last Edit: September 14, 2013, 12:14:49 PM by davel »

Offline Angelo222

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2013, 12:11:06 PM »
its pretty obvious what happened...the judge threw her dummy out of the pram

Is the judge female Anne?  I ask because men are sometimes called Maria in Latin countries.

And are we seriously saying the judge was miffed because the lawyers wanted more time for lunch??
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2013, 12:16:49 PM »
Imagine the judge had an heart attack. This is possible, I don't know what happened. How do you dare ?

Did you see an ambulance .......I think the answers no
shame Gerry wasn't there

stephen25000

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2013, 12:40:25 PM »
I don't see this from brits when I go abroad...perhaps you go to lower class resorts...you sound very xenophobic

Is that the best reply you can give ?

0 out of 10 on that.  ?{)(**

You seem to forgot your comment, clearly xenophobic.

Perchance do you like pilchards ?

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2013, 01:24:34 PM »
No, DCI, as I said before, Mr Amaral is the "réu" and the five McCanns are the "autores".
The accused and the accusers.

It is quoted he is an arguido in this TVI24 article. It is also said the McCann's were open to reach an extrajudicial agreement with Gonçalo Amaral.


Maddie Case: Psychologist and criminal lawyer testify in favour of the McCann couple

13 SEPTEMBER 2013 | POSTED BY ASTRO

Afternoon session was canceled

Only two witnesses, a psycholigist and a criminal lawyer, were heard today on the second day of the trial of the civil lawsuit that was filed by the McCann couple against former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, as the afternoon session was canceled.

According to Isabel Duarte, the McCanns' lawyer, the cancellation of the audience that had been scheduled for the afternoon was due to a "personal problem" of judge Maria Emília Melo e Castro. Nevertheless, the impediment is of temporary character and does not compromise the course of the trail.

Isabel Duarte, the McCann couple's lawyer in the civil suit, over defamation, against the former PJ inspector who investigated the disappearance of the English child in the Algarve (2007), told Lusa agency that due to this unforeseen problem with the judge, the court was not able to hear the other three witnesses, all of them relatives of the British couple.

With Kate McCann and the grandmother of the missing little girl seated in the area that is destined for the public, the morning session was used to hear an English psychologist who accompanied Madeleine McCann's twin siblings after the tragic disappearance of the child from a hotel apartment in Lagos, in the Algarve.

The other witness that was heard was a criminal lawyer who helped the McCann couple in an attempt to decipher the mystery that surrounds the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who spoke about the media impact that the public statements of Gonçalo Amaral, involving the child's parents in the disappearance, had in England.

Isabel Duarte mentioned that the following sessions are scheduled for September 19, 20 and 27, then continuing on October 2 and 8, and concluding on the 5th of November.

According to the lawyer, Kate McCann will not testify during the trial, despite the fact that the new Civil Process Code already foresees that possibility, given that the process was worked upon and elaborated under another presupposition.

The same happens with Gonçalo Amaral, who will not make a statement during the trial.

Earlier, the parties failed to reach an extrajudicial agreement within the civil case, in which Madeleine McCann's parents requested compensation in the amount of 1.2 million euro over the alleged defamation by the former PJ inspector (who investigated the child's disappearance). The trial started with the questioning of three witnesses - a Canadian and two Englishmen - who are "friends" of the McCann couple.

In statements to Lusa on Thursday, Isabel Duarte said that since the beginning, the McCann couple was open to reach an extrajudicial agreement with Gonçalo Amaral, but it was not possible to reach an agreement with the arguido.

Nonetheless, she stressed that the McCann couple's main goal was that the investigation into the child's disappearance was restarted, which, according to her, has already happened, without adding any further details or leads.

In a related process, the Civil Court of Lisbon decided, in January of 2010, to keep the prohibition of the sale of the book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie", authored by Gonçalo Amaral, and of the video with the same title, based on a documentary that was broadcast by TVI.

The ban of the book and the video, which presents Gonçalo Amaral's thesis on the involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann in the disappearance of their daughter by concealing the cadaver, had been provisionally ordered on the 9th of September of 2009.

On the 19th of October of 2010, the Appellate Court of Lisbon annulled the decision of the Civil Court, after which the McCann couple appealed to the Supreme Court of Justice. In a ruling dated March 18, 2011, the Supreme Court confirmed the Appellate Court's decision.

Madeleine McCann disappeared on the 3rd of May of 2007, in an apartment in a holiday resort in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, where she was spending a vacation with her parents and her twin siblings.

At that time, Gonçalo Amaral was the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Judiciary Police in Portimão.

Kate and Gerry McCann, who have always stated that the child was abducted, were made arguidos in September, 2007.

The investigation was archived due to a lack of evidence in July of 2008, although the Public Ministry admits reopening it if new data concerning the child's disappearance surfaces.

in: TVI24, 13.09.2013
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2013, 01:31:44 PM »
It is quoted he is an arguido in this TVI24 article. It is also said the McCann's were open to reach an extrajudicial agreement with Gonçalo Amaral.


Maddie Case: Psychologist and criminal lawyer testify in favour of the McCann couple

13 SEPTEMBER 2013 | POSTED BY ASTRO

Afternoon session was canceled

Only two witnesses, a psycholigist and a criminal lawyer, were heard today on the second day of the trial of the civil lawsuit that was filed by the McCann couple against former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, as the afternoon session was canceled.

According to Isabel Duarte, the McCanns' lawyer, the cancellation of the audience that had been scheduled for the afternoon was due to a "personal problem" of judge Maria Emília Melo e Castro. Nevertheless, the impediment is of temporary character and does not compromise the course of the trail.

Isabel Duarte, the McCann couple's lawyer in the civil suit, over defamation, against the former PJ inspector who investigated the disappearance of the English child in the Algarve (2007), told Lusa agency that due to this unforeseen problem with the judge, the court was not able to hear the other three witnesses, all of them relatives of the British couple.

With Kate McCann and the grandmother of the missing little girl seated in the area that is destined for the public, the morning session was used to hear an English psychologist who accompanied Madeleine McCann's twin siblings after the tragic disappearance of the child from a hotel apartment in Lagos, in the Algarve.

The other witness that was heard was a criminal lawyer who helped the McCann couple in an attempt to decipher the mystery that surrounds the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who spoke about the media impact that the public statements of Gonçalo Amaral, involving the child's parents in the disappearance, had in England.

Isabel Duarte mentioned that the following sessions are scheduled for September 19, 20 and 27, then continuing on October 2 and 8, and concluding on the 5th of November.

According to the lawyer, Kate McCann will not testify during the trial, despite the fact that the new Civil Process Code already foresees that possibility, given that the process was worked upon and elaborated under another presupposition.

The same happens with Gonçalo Amaral, who will not make a statement during the trial.

Earlier, the parties failed to reach an extrajudicial agreement within the civil case, in which Madeleine McCann's parents requested compensation in the amount of 1.2 million euro over the alleged defamation by the former PJ inspector (who investigated the child's disappearance). The trial started with the questioning of three witnesses - a Canadian and two Englishmen - who are "friends" of the McCann couple.

In statements to Lusa on Thursday, Isabel Duarte said that since the beginning, the McCann couple was open to reach an extrajudicial agreement with Gonçalo Amaral, but it was not possible to reach an agreement with the arguido.

Nonetheless, she stressed that the McCann couple's main goal was that the investigation into the child's disappearance was restarted, which, according to her, has already happened, without adding any further details or leads.

In a related process, the Civil Court of Lisbon decided, in January of 2010, to keep the prohibition of the sale of the book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie", authored by Gonçalo Amaral, and of the video with the same title, based on a documentary that was broadcast by TVI.

The ban of the book and the video, which presents Gonçalo Amaral's thesis on the involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann in the disappearance of their daughter by concealing the cadaver, had been provisionally ordered on the 9th of September of 2009.

On the 19th of October of 2010, the Appellate Court of Lisbon annulled the decision of the Civil Court, after which the McCann couple appealed to the Supreme Court of Justice. In a ruling dated March 18, 2011, the Supreme Court confirmed the Appellate Court's decision.

Madeleine McCann disappeared on the 3rd of May of 2007, in an apartment in a holiday resort in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, where she was spending a vacation with her parents and her twin siblings.

At that time, Gonçalo Amaral was the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Judiciary Police in Portimão.

Kate and Gerry McCann, who have always stated that the child was abducted, were made arguidos in September, 2007.

The investigation was archived due to a lack of evidence in July of 2008, although the Public Ministry admits reopening it if new data concerning the child's disappearance surfaces.

in: TVI24, 13.09.2013

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