Was it really just like being in the garden while kids slept upstairs?.

[icabodcrane]

The patio doors were left CLOSED ...  but unlocked ... totally different scenario ... more myth and mischief making.

FGS tell the truth, Red.

That's right sadie  ...   the patio doors were left unlocked

Off Kate and Gerry went down the road that night,  to meet their mates   ...  leaving behind them  three   infants under the age of four in an  'unlocked'  apartment

That  is the scenario we are discussing

[sadie]

Such a crucial event and nobody mentions seeing it? Nah. Far, far more likely they didn't mention seeing it (assuming it did actually take place) because they simply couldn't.

Rubbish. 

Go there and check, but make it is just after the bushes have been trimmed.  And make sure that you look from the right spot.

Not like most of the photos in Mccannfiles; they are pure disinformation and propaganda.  Photos take from all the wrong places giving a completely false image.

I think you have been wumming so much that it is time to repost the photograph from outside the patio windows which PROVES what The Mccanns could see ... and that you are WRONG



Taken from outside the patio window.  The Mccanns and friends sat immediately behind the pool in the RH picture window. 

This image unfortunately was taken when the shrubs needed cutting back.  From contemporary photos, it can be seen that the shrubs had just been cut back at the time of the abduction, so the visibility of the patio was noticeably greater

[Redblossom]

That's right sadie  ...   the patio doors were left unlocked

Off Kate and Gerry went down the road that night,  to meet their mates   ...  leaving behind them  three   infants under the age of four in an  'unlocked'  apartment

That  is the scenario we are discussing

Those are the FACTS, and also in a situation where they couldnt see or hear them, but alledgedly played musical chairs all night checking, and according to gerry he made NO VISUAL CHECKS ever apart from his last night 9 pm or so check, so anything could have happend to them and  theyd be none the wiser

Kate Mccann suggests she did the same, if there was no crying, she wouldnt bother look in, sad

[Lyall]

That's deflection, Sadie. The 9.30 check (assuming it did actually occur) is so crucial to what they told the police, their families and rest of the world yet nobody mentions seeing it in their statements.

That's evidence we are correct, and you are wrong.

[sadie]

That's right sadie  ...   the patio doors were left unlocked

Off Kate and Gerry went down the road that night,  to meet their mates   ...  leaving behind them  three   infants under the age of four in an  'unlocked'  apartment

That  is the scenario we are discussing

Just 50 metres away with a lit area immediately outside and a curtain that had to be drawn back revealing a well lit room, so that anyone going in would not only create a big rectangle of moving light, but also be silhouetted.   With frequent checks better than most hotels and holiday camps.

Even Amaral said they were too close at 50 metres for anyone to risk going in that way.

I repeat that

Even Amaral, your GOD, said that Kate and Gerry and group were so close that no-body would risk going in that way

Why are you disbelieving your superhuman GOD, Icabod?


is it because you are finally acknowledging that he tells lies?

[Lyall]

You didn't provide evidence of where he said that when previously asked Sadie, not when asked by me anyway.

[Lyall]

As you said yourself you had to be looking hard to see, but when people weren't paying attention it was likely not as easy for movement to be detected as you want to think.

[Redblossom]

As you said yourself you had to be looking hard to see, but when people weren't paying attention it was likely not as easy for movement to be detected as you want to think.

The argument is ridiculous in its base, if any parent was looking at their apartment in case their kids got out would have taken them with them in the first bkeedin place and let them sleep in their prams or just not go out, sheesh...and yes they would NEVER sit there eyes glued tothe place every second dear god hilarious and stupid

Enough delirious rubbish for one day

[sadie]

Those are the FACTS, and also in a situation where they couldnt see or hear them, but alledgedly played musical chairs all night checking, and according to gerry he made NO VISUAL CHECKS ever apart from his last night 9 pm or so check, so anything could have happend to them and  theyd be none the wiser

Stupid comment Red

They only arrived at the restaurant at about 8.30-8.35.  He made his check at about 9.05 and visually checked.  Matt visually checked, (but didn't enter the room so missed Madeleine,) at about 9.30, having made a listening check at 9pm.  Kate made a visual check at !0.00pm to find Madeleine gone

Why are you wumming, over and over the same stuff.

The checks were made at better than half hour intervals and were much better than the then commonplace listening checks made by strangers at hotels all around the world.

Since Madeleine went missing, hotels generally are no longer offering this service, but millions of people must have availed themselves of such service for deecades, probably centuries ... and all over the world

[sadie]

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You didn't provide evidence of where he said that when previously asked Sadie, not when asked by me anyway.

What are you going on about Lyall?  More silly wwumming?  Time wasting?

[sadie]

As you said yourself you had to be looking hard to see, but when people weren't paying attention it was likely not as easy for movement to be detected as you want to think.

I have answered this three or four times already on this thread.  Just stop the wumming

Large rectangles of ight suddenly appearing would attract attention

Just stop the time wasting.

[John]

A minor point here but I have always wondered why Kate never once went to check on the kids after they arrived at the tapas at around 8.30pm?  An hour and a half seems a bit excessive in any circumstances for a mother.   Could be she blames herself for the events.

[icabodcrane]

You didn't provide evidence of where he said that when previously asked Sadie, not when asked by me anyway.

Nor was I given an answer when I asked sadie where the information about burglaries using front door keys came from 

[sadie]

Nor was I given an answer when I asked sadie where the information about burglaries using front door keys came from

Have you no reasoning skills, Icabod?

Entry to an upstairs flat, necessarily via the front door cos the windows were inaccessible.  The door was undamaged.  Do you think the burglars were wizards, or something?  Out of Harry potter?

How the hell do you think they got in via a locked door with no damage to the door?  Either keys or a skilled lock picker .... abit risking to be in a block of flats picking locks, dont you think?  Especially as in holiday flats the pickings were likely to be poor.

Use that brain of yours.  You are no idiot, but seems you like to appear one.

[sadie]

A minor point here but I have always wondered why Kate never once went to check on the kids after they arrived at the tapas at around 8.30pm?  An hour and a half seems a bit excessive in any circumstances for a mother.   Could be she blames herself for the events.

Oh, John ... How sexist. 

Didn't expect that of you.