Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.

[stephen25000]

I think if you ever look in on Twitter you will understand that the "far worse" is the profanity which emanates from those devoted followers of Goncalo Amaral. Some of them would be quite at home in the sewers with the most vile creatures imaginable down there.

Would you like me to go and find some of the more recent examples of that profanity and debased name calling of pros by [ censored word]?

Sorry gilet, I'm not having that.

I've seen the hate from both sides of the fence on twitter from the extremists there.

Something tells me just like the Mccanns, you turn a blind eye to what the die-hard mccanns supporters do.

[Lyall]

I think if you ever look in on Twitter you will understand that the "far worse" is the profanity which emanates from those devoted followers of Goncalo Amaral. Some of them would be quite at home in the sewers with the most vile creatures imaginable down there.

Would you like me to go and find some of the more recent examples of that profanity and debased name calling of pros by [ censored word]?

They are not followers of Mr Amaral. They're just using him, like they used Bennett.  Quite a few of them have their own agendas.

[TTSOFAFM]

Gonçalo Amaral was not convicted for falsifying documents, it was for false testimony. There was another inspector who was convicted for falsifying documents.

Falsifying documents or falsifying testimony, whatever it was, the fact remains HE IS STILL A CONVICTED EX-COP who was removed from the initial investigation.

[C.Edwards]

I have seen this stated before. Please for the benefit of us all, do tell us precisely what the criminal act was that got Amaral his conviction and suspended sentence.

He must have done something or are you saying the Portuguese Judiciary are corrupt fools?

You know all this damn well, I've seen your postings on it. But for the benefit of others who don't know the full story...

He was convicted on the technicality that, even though he was not present at the event itself, as senior officer on duty when Cipriano attempted to throw herself off the landing of the stairs, he should have known that the injuries inflicted were not caused by this, but rather by being manhandled by his officers.  As he simply filled in and signed off on the report based on what he was told (fairly reasonable as he wasn't there at the time and can hardly be expected to be an expert in injury identification) he was subsequently found to have falsified a statement to cover up for his men as the court found that the injuries hadn't been inflicted in the way his men had reported and he'd signed off on. Ironically he would have been "not guilty" had he actually falsified the report and claimed his men had beaten her up.

That's not the end of the story though... subsequently the police officers were exonerated as Cipriano was sentenced to another 7 months in jail for lying about being beaten up. So in fact Amaral's statement WAS correct after all and yet... due to the vagaries of the portuguese system his conviction remained in place as - at the time - he should allegedly have somehow known that his men were telling him porkies and reported them and filled in the statement differently.  Quite how they square this all with the fact that he was subsequently proven right is a mystery to me.

That pros can claim he deliberately falsified evidence when he quite demonstrably didn't, is ridiculous.

[TTSOFAFM]

They are not followers of Mr Amaral. They're just using him, like they used Bennett.  Quite a few of them have their own agendas.

Very true Lyall and the sad part is that the welfare of Madeleine McCann doesn't enter into their reasoning.  No person would class a missing child as deceased, a normal person would hope and pray that she is found alive and reunited with her family.

And that is the hope that her parents cling to. And so would any parent who has a missing child or family who have a missing loved one.  That hope being that one day their child/loved one will be found and reunited with them and they can start to rebuild their lives together.

[gilet]

You know all this damn well, I've seen your postings on it. But for the benefit of others who don't know the full story...

He was convicted on the technicality that, even though he was not present at the event itself, as senior officer on duty when Cipriano attempted to throw herself off the landing of the stairs, he should have known that the injuries inflicted were not caused by this, but rather by being manhandled by his officers.  As he simply filled in and signed off on the report based on what he was told (fairly reasonable as he wasn't there at the time and can hardly be expected to be an expert in injury identification) he was subsequently found to have falsified a statement to cover up for his men as the court found that the injuries hadn't been inflicted in the way his men had reported and he'd signed off on. Ironically he would have been "not guilty" had he actually falsified the report and claimed his men had beaten her up.

That's not the end of the story though... subsequently the police officers were exonerated as Cipriano was sentenced to another 7 months in jail for lying about being beaten up. So in fact Amaral's statement WAS correct after all and yet... due to the vagaries of the portuguese system his conviction remained in place as - at the time - he should allegedly have somehow known that his men were telling him porkies and reported them and filled in the statement differently.  Quite how they square this all with the fact that he was subsequently proven right is a mystery to me.

That pros can claim he deliberately falsified evidence when he quite demonstrably didn't, is ridiculous.

So the court sentenced him to 18 months on a technicality. I see.

And that technicality relates directly to the fact that he simply had no idea whether his subordinates were being truthful with him or not. I see.

He signed off something he really could not sign and testify that he was sure it was true. I see.

His sentence of 18 months was simply due to the vagaries of the Portuguese Judicial system. I see.

Thanks for making all that so clear.

So basically you are saying that Amaral had no idea if his officers were telling him the truth, that he signed off paperwork he really could not truthfully say was accurate and that the Portuguese Judicial System is crap. I get that now.

[Mo Stache]

They are not followers of Mr Amaral. They're just using him, like they used Bennett.  Quite a few of them have their own agendas.

I understand what you have said, but do wonder why didn't more genuine Amaral supporters then publicly distance themselves from those who were "just using him" for "their own agenda"? It seems hypocritical that it was okay for everyone to hitch their cart to Bennett until he started making the anti McCann's look stupid. Then suddenly Bennett was no good for Amarals agenda anymore. Bennetts and the Madeleine Foundations money was good enough for a donation to Amaral.

[faithlilly]

Wouldn't you like to know?

But to you and others like you. I say simply, "Mind your own business! What difference would it make if I was? Would I not be entitled to an opinion?"

They didn't want to withdraw, they sought a settlement with Amaral.

[icabodcrane]

I understand what you have said, but do wonder why didn't more genuine Amaral supporters then publicly distance themselves from those who were "just using him" for "their own agenda"? It seems hypocritical that it was okay for everyone to hitch their cart to Bennett until he started making the anti McCann's look stupid. Then suddenly Bennett was no good for Amarals agenda anymore. Bennetts and the Madeleine Foundations money was good enough for a donation to Amaral.

It is incorrect to make the assumption that people  question the McCann's version of events because they are  'supporters' of Amaral   (  although it is certainly in keeping with the  'thrust'  of the libel trial as presented by the McCanns, so far  ) 

Speaking for myself,  I think the original Portuguese investigation was certainly  flawed  ...and Amaral must take responsibility for that 

So I am  no  'fan'

The reason I question the McCann's version of events is not because of Amaral  ...  or his book  (  which I  have not read   )  ...  it is because their version makes  no sense   ...  it has more holes than swiss cheese !

That's  why I question it  (  nowt to do with Amaral  ) 

[Redblossom]

from the first day when people watched the news they turned their heads...and though, hey? They left their kids alone? To go out and eat?

This is documented widely

The mccanns were suspected by the general public from day one

Despite a media onslaught onto the Portuguese by certain rags by certain relatives and some other so called nonrags, the mccanns were never persons that the public did not question,initially for leaving their three babies alone,but as more facts came out for other reasons too, it is ridiculous in the extreme to blame Mr amaral for all the suspicions people had ...let alone for after his book was published...they were well sunk in by then...the mccanns went to court in 2010 even and made fools of themselves, mccanns have no case IMO and Ive said this for a couple of years,

[Mo Stache]

It is incorrect to make the assumption that people  question the McCann's version of events because they are  'supporters' of Amaral   (  although it is certainly in keeping with the  'thrust'  of the libel trial as presented by the McCanns, so far  ) 

Speaking for myself,  I think the original Portuguese investigation was certainly  flawed  ...and Amaral must take responsibility for that 

So I am  no  'fan'

The reason I question the McCann's version of events is not because of Amaral  ...  or his book  (  which I  have not read   )  ...  it is because their version makes  no sense   ...  it has more holes than swiss cheese !

That's  why I question it  (  nowt to do with Amaral  )

I was referring to genuine Amaral supporters.

[C.Edwards]

So the court sentenced him to 18 months on a technicality. I see.

And that technicality relates directly to the fact that he simply had no idea whether his subordinates were being truthful with him or not. I see.

He signed off something he really could not sign and testify that he was sure it was true. I see.

His sentence of 18 months was simply due to the vagaries of the Portuguese Judicial system. I see.

Thanks for making all that so clear.

So basically you are saying that Amaral had no idea if his officers were telling him the truth, that he signed off paperwork he really could not truthfully say was accurate and that the Portuguese Judicial System is crap. I get that now.

Yeah. Just keep spinning.  Just because you can't or won't admit that it's blatantly ridiculous doesn't make it any less so. 

[Redblossom]

It makes me laugh how some people post amaral is a convict a convicted criminal etc like hes a murderer or rapist, just shows their desperation in exagerating the facts...theyhave only one reason to exagerate the facts,...embroider the truth....oops, just like the mccanns

[Benita]

It makes me laugh how some people post amaral is a convict a convicted criminal etc like hes a murderer or rapist, just shows their desperation in exagerating the facts...theyhave only one reason to exagerate the facts,...embroider the truth....oops, just like the mccanns

amaral is a convict ..he has a criminal record aswell you know ...people don't have to be a rapist or a murderer to be a convict red ..you just being silly as usual  8-)(--)

[stephen25000]

amaral is a convict ..he has a criminal record aswell you know ...people don't have to be a rapist or a murderer to be a convict red ..you just being silly as usual  8-)(--)

Pathetic attack on Amaral, yet again.

Just another diversion from the source of this case.

2 incompetent parents.