Michael Wright's testimony

[AnneGuedes]

As far as I can see all the witnesses appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet.  Some of the words they are using seem rehearsed??

Yes, they form a sort of string octet..

[Redblossom]

Yes, they form a sort of string octet..

Darent put it into music myself.......

Going off topic for a second, the Mccanns own interviews for years on years, and this is one thing that struck me as odd, was they used the exact same words, and I mean word for word,and  phrases to answer the same/similar questions over and over, scripted and controlled...

[icabodcrane]

Darent put it into music myself.......

Going off topic for a second, the Mccanns own interviews for years on years, and this is one thing that struck me as odd, was they used the exact same words, and I mean word for word,and  phrases to answer the same/similar questions over and over, scripted and controlled...

I know what you mean Red

The time they trailed the studios doing the  "why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying last night"  story was most remarkable in that regard  ....   not just the exact same words used every time,  but the exact same  facial expressions  !

[Redblossom]

I know what you mean Red

The time they trailed the studios doing the  "why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying last night"  story was most remarkable in that regard  ....   not just the exact same words used every time,  but the exact same  facial expressions  !

yes, and there were mantras sounded out...no doubt given by advisers or lawyers,ie there is no evidence she has  come to any significant/serious  harm...from day 2 or 3, day 2 or 3 we had john mccann on his sofa saying that....the mccanns repeated it for years, how could they know from so early on there was no evidence of serious harm, they hadnt even had a chance to look properly or somethng to come up, seems orchestrated to me..hmmm....and when they launched their funs there was john mccann agan as early as two weeks later talking about private detectives the fund would pay for...all that forward planning, most proactive

must say alot of their relatives were more natural

hark at john mccann saying about their initiatives and if the police can work with them thats great.... they took control from day one, wellthis video is around may 9 iirc...IIRC the police told them NOT to contact the media, they did pdq, and the police told them NOT to advertise Maddies eye defect as it might prove lethal but Gerry in  his wisdom though it was a GREAT *marketing ploy* even if the abductor did anythtng to it!!!! Then 5 years later Kate goes on telly and says theynever made anything much of the eye defect LOL no not really after all those LOOK posters everywhere

[Sherlock Holmes]

It appears to me that the  'damages'  suffered by the McCanns have only been alluded to and not  'proven'  in actual evidence

Kate McCann's  suicidal depression is  'alluded'  to  ...  but no psychiatric report written by mental health professionals is produced in evidence

The damage to the McCann's private investigation is  'alluded'  to  ...  but no statistical or even anecdotal evidence is produced by the private detectives themselves

It really does seem,  so far,  to be the old story   ...   "it's true because we say so"

Surely a psychiatric or at least Dr's report would be essential for anyone trying to prove such claims. One can only ask, why wouldn't Kate have seen a psychiatrist, therapist, or even talked things over with another GP, if only to get a written record for court purposes? Why show up in court with barely any evidence to present of mental anguish, when written evidence could quite easily have been procured?

[icabodcrane]

Surely a psychiatric or at least Dr's report would be essential for anyone trying to prove such claims. One can only ask, why wouldn't Kate have seen a psychiatrist, therapist, or even talked things over with another GP, if only to get a written record for court purposes? Why show up in court with barely any evidence to present of mental anguish, when written evidence could quite easily have been procured?

Well,  not  that  easily procured Sherlock  ...   a person would actually have to be  suffering from a psychiatric illness  (  of which suicidal clinical depression is one  )  in order to be diagnosed as  such   

[Redblossom]

Well,  not  that  easily procured Sherlock  ...   a person would actually have to be  suffering from a psychiatric illness  (  of which suicidal clinical depression is one  )  in order to be diagnosed as  such

She had a counsellor privately paid for by mark warner  with a degree in social sciences..bleurhg....and it seems paid by them later, wierd......no real doctors anywhere

[icabodcrane]

She had a counsellor privately paid for by mark warner  with a degree in social sciences..bleurhg....and it seems paid by them later, wierd......no real doctors anywhere

It's a point that wasn't wasted on the Judge either

She interupted when Michael Wright was questioned about Kate's depression ,  saying that only a doctor was qualified to answer that question 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well,  not  that  easily procured Sherlock  ...   a person would actually have to be  suffering from a psychiatric illness  (  of which suicidal clinical depression is one  )  in order to be diagnosed as  such

The psychiatrist or therapist would diagnose accordingly.

There are many passing or longer-term mental / emotional health conditions relating to a person's experience of difficult circumstances that are not psychotic in nature, but nonetheless fall within a medical remit, such as depression or anxiety, and adjustment disorders (disorders of mental or emotional state in an otherwise mentally healthy person, currently adjusting to major trauma or stress).

It would have been perfectly reasonable and honest of a medical health professional to attest in writing to Kate's suffering from one or more of the above, judging by the various accounts we have of her reaction to her situation. If it is true that Gerry had to take time off work to look after her, for example, as one of the witnesses reported, this would be evidence that she was temporarily unable to function. That is reasonably serious, without coming under any classification of psychosis.

Although I must admit this is all more Dr Watson's line....

[Redblossom]

It's a point that wasn't wasted on the Judge either

She interupted when Michael Wright was questioned about Kate's depression ,  saying that only a doctor was qualified to answer that question

I know, an astute judge, no one would want anything less!!!!

The whole motley crew have failed to date

[Sherlock Holmes]

I know, an astute judge, no one would want anything less!!!!

The whole motley crew have failed to date

Yes, I like the judge.

Who has still to give evidence now?

Are they saving the best til last?

[icabodcrane]

The psychiatrist or therapist would diagnose accordingly.

There are many passing or longer-term mental / emotional health conditions relating to a person's experience of difficult circumstances that are not psychotic in nature, but nonetheless fall within a medical remit, such as depression or anxiety, and adjustment disorders (disorders of mental or emotional state in an otherwise mentally healthy person, currently adjusting to major trauma or stress).

It would have been perfectly reasonable and honest of a medical health professional to attest in writing to Kate's suffering from one or more of the above, judging by the various accounts we have of her reaction to her situation. If it is true that Gerry had to take time off work to look after her, for example, as one of the witnesses reported, this would be evidence that she was temporarily unable to function. That is reasonably serious, without coming under any classification of psychosis.

Although I must admit this is all more Dr Watson's line....

If a person who was suffering from depression went to their GP  the GP would make a judgement on the severity of symtoms described

He/She  might think it appropriate to use drug therapies combined with counselling,   or councelling alone,  depending on the professional judgement made

If a person went to their GP suffering from depression that was of such severity they were having suicidal thoughts,  the GP would,  without question,  arrange an immediate assessment at a psychiatric unit 

That would be essential in order to assess whether the patient presented an actual  'suicide risk' 

I do not understand why, if Kate was having suicidal thoughts because of Amaral's book,  this normal procedure was not followed  ...  and the medical records pertaining to it produced in court as evidence

[Redblossom]

Yes, I like the judge.

Who has still to give evidence now?

Are they saving the best til last?

Kate mccanns mum and gerrys sister Pat Cameron I think

Neither of which will know anything more of the police files the tv docus and the ins and outs of amarals book IMO than aNy of the others to date

We will see next friday 27th

Nite all off to watch my recorded  uk law and order!
 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If a person who was suffering from depression went to their GP  the GP would make a judgement on the severity of symtoms described

He/She  might think it appropriate to use drug therapies combined with counselling,   or councelling alone,  depending on the professional judgement made

If a person went to their GP suffering from depression that was of such severity they were having suicidal thoughts,  the GP would,  without question,  arrange an immediate assessment at a psychiatric unit 

That would be essential in order to assess whether the patient presented an actual  'suicide risk' 

I do not understand why, if Kate was having suicidal thoughts because of Amaral's book,  this normal procedure was not followed  ...  and the medical records pertaining to it produced in court as evidence

Exactly

Perhaps they think because they are doctors they can bypass the usual steps and diagnose themselves?

Even so, what about the medication issue? If a person was suicidal or had severe depression, medication would normally be prescribed.

[icabodcrane]

Exactly

Perhaps they think because they are doctors they can bypass the usual steps and diagnose themselves?

Even so, what about the medication issue? If a person was suicidal or had severe depression, medication would normally be prescribed.

It may be the case,  I suppose,  that Kate McCann's recent medical history,  and any evidence of anti-depressant/ anxiety medidaction prescribed ,  has not been presented to the court because she was   already  being treated  'before'  Amaral's book was published

It would be perfectly understandable if that were the case  ....   how could a mother endure the stress and trauma of losing a child  (  whatever the circumstances may have been  )   without the assistance of professional medical help

The problem is,  of course,  if Kate was already receiving that sort of medical assistance  before  Amaral's book was published,  she could hardly present it as evidence in this particular trial    (  which claims damages  for Amaral being  'the cause'  of her depression    )