According to the AG Final Report - A Neglectful or Intended Homicide ?

[icabodcrane]

You are correct. The report does not countenance accidental death as was noted yesterday.

Goncalo Amaral is out on his own with that one. Its not supported by the report at all.

What scenario,  then,  do you think the Prosecuctor had in mind when concluded  'neglectful homicide'  was a possibility  ? 

[AnneGuedes]

You are correct. The report does not countenance accidental death as was noted yesterday.

Goncalo Amaral is out on his own with that one. Its not supported by the report at all.

I'm not  ! Read correctly : accidental death, with posterior concealment of the cadaver ...
What is not contemplated is the case of an accident unintentionally caused by someone, a child, an adult...

[gilet]

What scenario,  then,  do you think the Prosecuctor had in mind when concluded  'neglectful homicide'  was a possibility  ?

I looked at that earlier. Almost all the examples on VLex relate to driving offences.

But on another site (sorry I didn't bookmark it at the time) there was a necessity even in this form of homicide for the person committing the crime to have definite knowledge that the action could result in death.

Therefore (and I have to say I am not qualified to pronounce on this as I doubt anyone is here) I didn't think it related to accidental death.

[gilet]

I'm not  ! Read correctly : accidental death, with posterior concealment of the cadaver ...
What is not contemplated is the case of an accident unintentionally caused be someone, a child, an adult...

I have tried to find a range of definitions of homicidio negligente and those I have found seem to indicate a need to understand that the action could cause death. I cannot see how that refers to accidents.

I shall be back online late tomorrow hopefully.

[icabodcrane]

I looked at that earlier. Almost all the examples on VLex relate to driving offences.

But on another site (sorry I didn't bookmark it at the time) there was a necessity even in this form of homicide for the person committing the crime to have definite knowledge that the action could result in death.

Therefore (and I have to say I am not qualified to pronounce on this as I doubt anyone is here) I didn't think it related to accidental death.

I think it is most definately related to accidental death

I assumed from a previous post of yours that you were genuinely open minded and rational regarding the Public Prosecutor's conclusions

Cleary not 

[AnneGuedes]

You leave a bottle of lemonade full of pure NaCl (sorry I don't know the name) or, even worse, H2SO4. Somebody suffering anosmia finds it and drinks. Is it accidental homicide or homicide through neglect ? Neither one nor the other I suppose, if the person isn't a familiar of your place.
A man blows the woman he has a passionate affair with in a violent discussion. She falls and breaks her head on the corner of a marble table. She dies, he gets a 6 years sentence This is a true story (Marie Trintignant/Bertrand Cantat). Accidental homicide ? How can you, in this kind of situation, foresee the disaster ?

[Mr Gray]

From the Public Prosecutor's final report

... " it was not possible to ...  formulate any lucid, sensate and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment  ( Whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide,  whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction )  nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively  -  the most dramatic  -  to establish whether she is still alive, or if she is dead, as seems more likely"

So was this from the final report or is the whole thread based upon an untruth...or had it been said by the McCanns...a lie

[ferryman]

I think it is most definately related to accidental death

I assumed from a previous post of yours that you were genuinely open minded and rational regarding the Public Prosecutor's conclusions

Cleary not

I think it is most definately ...

You can't think most definitely

You are either definite or you think

With regard to other possible crimes, whilst we cannot dismiss the possibility of a killing, given the high degree of probability, there is no evidence for this in the case records.
The non-involvement of Madeleine's parents in any criminally significant action is apparent from the fact that they were not in the apartment at the time of her disappearance, their normal behaviour up to that moment and afterwards, as witnessed by the statements of the witnesses, the analysis of the telephone communications and the conclusions of the experts reports… None of the indications which led to their being made suspects was substantiated later; there was no proof of them having notified the media before the police, the laboratory did not confirm the traces found by the dogs, and the initial e-mail indications transcribed above later turned out to be harmless
…. Therefore having considered the foregoing, I order:
… b) Filing of the papers concerning the suspects Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, as there is no evidence that they committed any crime defined by Article 277.1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure".

[Mr Gray]

I think it is most definately ...

You can't think most definitely

You are either definite or you think

perhaps hes just a bit definite

 

[Luz]

I looked at that earlier. Almost all the examples on VLex relate to driving offences.

But on another site (sorry I didn't bookmark it at the time) there was a necessity even in this form of homicide for the person committing the crime to have definite knowledge that the action could result in death.

Therefore (and I have to say I am not qualified to pronounce on this as I doubt anyone is here) I didn't think it related to accidental death.

Ridiculous. If there was intent it would be first degree homicide. What you english call manslaughter is neglectful or accidental homicide.
What every report alludes, either from the PJ as from the Attorney General is that most probably there was an accidental death covered up by the parents. And in this case, it's the covering up that is a crime aggravated by the situation of neglect .

[Redblossom]

So was this from the final report or is the whole thread based upon an untruth...or had it been said by the McCanns...a lie

Of course it was fron the final archiving PP report, where the hell do you think it came from then?