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Offline gilet

Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« on: September 26, 2013, 05:07:04 PM »
there was nothng *slurred about my post* and nothing ambiguous I clearly said you may be right or wrong

oh and I dont do  hearsay dear

Here is the evidence your heros lied, copy and paste of a recent post of mine


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What about what the Mccanns were reporting vis a vis the libel action?


From a SIC interview given 12 May 2009

Q There's also been Gonçalo Amaral's book and at the time there was a lot of talk about possible legal charges bought up by you against Gonçalo Amaral. Are you still considering these legal charges against him?
 
Gerry McCann: We certainly haven't ruled it out. The reason we haven't done it to date is we didn't want to create... and I think there's been enough Anglo-Portuguese angst, particularly in the media and we certainly, errr... didn't want to exacerbate that but, you know, he clearly is getting, errr... more outrageous and we certainly wouldn't rule it out.

 
Kate McCann: At the same time, you know, it... it's a distraction, you know, what Mr Amaral is doing. I mean, it's... it's damaging to our search, errm... but at the same time, you know, we want to find Madeleine. We want to move forward and get new information and we don't want to be derailed by negative people who have their own agendas, you know, so...
 
Gerry McCann: That is... I mean, that's a very good point, you know; we don't want to look back, we are trying to do things, but it gets to the point, errr... where you just think: 'enough's enough'.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-interview-to-sic.html

So how is Kate Mccann writing in her book Madeleine that conversations with their lawyer had been ongoing since November 2008, Gerry made a trip in January 2009 to see the lawyer about suing Amaral and by April 20 2009 they made the decision to sue!

Why was Gerry Mccann keeping the decision/legal action a secret?

Some quotes from kates book here
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/kate-mccanns-deep-harted-for-goncalo.html

Seriously, you don't think that this is the perfect example of "slurred writing"?

You may be right here you be wrong, but there is a precedent  for the mccanns not actually  twlling the truth, i know its hard for you to bear though

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But to get to the nub of this post.

Your attempt to castigate Gerry McCann for what he said in that interview in early May is (as was your posting of a truly phenomenally silly claim about Redwood earlier) simply clutching at straws.

You seem to think there is something odd about Gerry not announcing in that interview that he was going to sue Amaral.

You introduce a date of November 2008 without a proper quote from Kate's book as some kind of evidence of your odd claim when a proper look at the section of Kate's book reveals that at that time though conversations has begun they were extremely reluctant to actually sue the man.

"We had first talked on the phone to Isabel Duarte on 28 November. She was very understanding and sounded nice. By this point we felt as though we had been condemned by an entire country, so to receive sympathy from someone in Portugal was like stepping into a welcoming warm bath. Six weeks later, Gerry went to Lisbon to meet her. Although we were still resisting the temptation to sue, her parting shot left a lasting impression on him. ‘Don’t forget! That man said you buried your daughter on the beach!’"

There is then comment in the book about the further actions of Amaral against the McCanns which led to them finally deciding to sue him.

"On 20 April we took the decision with Isabel Duarte to sue him. While she did the preparatory work, we were off to the States again – to appear on Oprah Winfrey’s talk show."

And on the day after the recording of the SIC interview you quote (it was recorded on the 11th and broadcast on the 12th), Kate (her first meeting with Duarte) and Gerry met with their lawyer and discussed how to proceed. First an injunction and only later the suing for libel.

On Madeleine’s sixth birthday, 12 May 2009, I met Isabel Duarte for the first time. I’d been reluctant to spend this emotional day in a meeting but our options were limited and, as Gerry pointed out, maybe this was exactly what we ought to be doing on Madeleine’s birthday. I was very impressed by Isabel. She was a pocket dynamo: tiny and attractive but immensely feisty, strong, intelligent and compassionate. You could see the desire for justice burning brightly in her.

Isabel suggested that first of all we should apply for an injunction against Amaral’s book and the DVD of his documentary with the aim of preventing the distribution and further repetition of his damaging theories. The next phase would be to sue Amaral for libel. It was an inspiring meeting and I will never forget Isabel’s words to me as she leaned across the table, looking me straight in the eye: ‘Today is a very important day for your daughter.’


Are you seriously suggesting that Gerry on the day before he was to discuss the planning of the way in which they would proceed legally against Amaral would tell the world how it was all going to pan out?

All Gerry says on May 11th is that they haven't ruled out suing. They hadn't! And that they haven't done it "to date" thus leaving open the question as to whether it would happen. As, at that point they had not met with the lawyer face to face for months then it is perfectly natural he would not be giving details of any possible forthcoming case.

By trying to spin this into some terrible action on the part of Gerry McCann you are once again clutching at straws and making yourself look very foolish because I am sure people will realise that intelligent people do not, the day before they start to make arrangements for a forthcoming injunction and libel case, blab details of that to the media, especially media they have good reason not to trust.

C.Edwards

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 05:28:29 PM »
By trying to spin this into some terrible action on the part of Gerry McCann you are once again clutching at straws and making yourself look very foolish because I am sure people will realise that intelligent people do not, the day before they start to make arrangements for a forthcoming injunction and libel case, blab details of that to the media, especially media they have good reason not to trust.

I'm sure you don't mean to (do you?) but you don't half come across as a gushing schoolgirl when you talk about Gerry McCann.  This makes it all very hard to take your points seriously as it just comes across as a bit infatuated and therefore entirely subjective.

C.Edwards

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2013, 05:42:00 PM »
Ad hominem abuse is the last resort of those who are unable to actually respond to the point made.

Could you stick to the topic?

I don't know. What is the topic?  You don't seem to be sure yourself. Was the topic you replied on originally about whether the McCanns should keep potential legal action secret?

Squealing about abuse when one dishes it out in spades is the first resort of someone that wants to avoid addressing points they don't like in my opinion, by the way.  Only I have the balls to admit it's an opinion rather than post personal opinions as facts.

I'll assume that you're talking about GM's media briefing in Jan 2009 on this point?  When he started off with "Ahhh, well... I came back today really to meet with our adviser's, errr... including Rogério, errr... Alves to really discuss what can still be done in the ongoing search for Madeleine."?

If he hadn't made such a big deal of it all being about going forward and not looking backwards then maybe you'd have a case. As it was it's since become clear that he was over there to meet with ID about the legal action and the media briefing was a smokescreen.  Wrong?  Dunno.  Dishonest?  Possibly.  Disingenuous? Certainly.

Offline gilet

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 05:52:29 PM »
It is perfectly clear as to what the topic is.
The topic is a response to the question posed by Redblossom in the OP where she tries to intimate it is wrong for Gerry not to reveal details of the possible suing of Amaral to the media before they discuss it face to face with lawyers.


It is not wrong at all, it is absolutely sensible and Redblossom is clearly clutching at straws. And the problem with your interpretation is like that of Redblossom, there is nothing whatsoever dishonest or wrong in what Gerry said in that interview.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 05:55:52 PM by gilet »

C.Edwards

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 06:15:34 PM »
It is not wrong at all, it is absolutely sensible and Redblossom is clearly clutching at straws. And the problem with your interpretation is like that of Redblossom, there is nothing whatsoever dishonest or wrong in what Gerry said in that interview.

In. Your. Opinion.

Others have different opinions.  Yours is not necessarily right and yet you always try and state it as fact. If you stopped acting like a dictator and just discussed things you may make more headway.

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 06:48:41 PM »
In. Your. Opinion.

Others have different opinions.  Yours is not necessarily right and yet you always try and state it as fact. If you stopped acting like a dictator and just discussed things you may make more headway.

Dear me - what a spiteful post - and totally uncalled for.   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline gilet

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 07:06:38 PM »
In. Your. Opinion.

Others have different opinions.  Yours is not necessarily right and yet you always try and state it as fact. If you stopped acting like a dictator and just discussed things you may make more headway.

Of course it is my opinion. That is who posted it. Me.

Unlike you, though, I have given my clear and logical explanation as to why I believe she is wrong. You have simply posted abuse rather than dealt with the actual issues.

As I said previously it is the desperation of those who have no adequate response to the points made which results in their resorting to ad hominem abuse. It is another example of clutching at any straw that can be found. Unfortunately, for you it does not show the target up at all, rather it shows up the poster.

C.Edwards

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 07:22:18 PM »
Of course it is my opinion. That is who posted it. Me.

Unlike you, though, I have given my clear and logical explanation as to why I believe she is wrong. You have simply posted abuse rather than dealt with the actual issues.

As I said previously it is the desperation of those who have no adequate response to the points made which results in their resorting to ad hominem abuse. It is another example of clutching at any straw that can be found. Unfortunately, for you it does not show the target up at all, rather it shows up the poster.

You've done nothing of the sort. You've posted what I highlighted in bold as though it's a fact. It's not, it's an opinion.  I, and I daresay others, do not share that opinion.  I'll do what you did:

It is completely wrong, it is absolutely stupid and Redblossom is bang on the money with what she says. And the problem with your interpretation is like that of <insert random pro name>, there is nothing whatsoever honest or right in what Gerry said in that interview. 

All I've done is flip your words around to form a contrary opinion. Have I evidenced why my opinion is valid? No. Is it worth any more than your opinion? No.  Do I admit it? Yes. Do you admit it? 

As for those of you cackling on about Amaral on this thread, I'd pay heed to admin's PM this afternoon if I were you.

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 08:30:38 PM »
Seriously, you don't think that this is the perfect example of "slurred writing"?

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But to get to the nub of this post.

Your attempt to castigate Gerry McCann for what he said in that interview in early May is (as was your posting of a truly phenomenally silly claim about Redwood earlier) simply clutching at straws.

You seem to think there is something odd about Gerry not announcing in that interview that he was going to sue Amaral.

You introduce a date of November 2008 without a proper quote from Kate's book as some kind of evidence of your odd claim when a proper look at the section of Kate's book reveals that at that time though conversations has begun they were extremely reluctant to actually sue the man.

"We had first talked on the phone to Isabel Duarte on 28 November. She was very understanding and sounded nice. By this point we felt as though we had been condemned by an entire country, so to receive sympathy from someone in Portugal was like stepping into a welcoming warm bath. Six weeks later, Gerry went to Lisbon to meet her. Although we were still resisting the temptation to sue, her parting shot left a lasting impression on him. ‘Don’t forget! That man said you buried your daughter on the beach!’"

There is then comment in the book about the further actions of Amaral against the McCanns which led to them finally deciding to sue him.

"On 20 April we took the decision with Isabel Duarte to sue him. While she did the preparatory work, we were off to the States again – to appear on Oprah Winfrey’s talk show."

And on the day after the recording of the SIC interview you quote (it was recorded on the 11th and broadcast on the 12th), Kate (her first meeting with Duarte) and Gerry met with their lawyer and discussed how to proceed. First an injunction and only later the suing for libel.

On Madeleine’s sixth birthday, 12 May 2009, I met Isabel Duarte for the first time. I’d been reluctant to spend this emotional day in a meeting but our options were limited and, as Gerry pointed out, maybe this was exactly what we ought to be doing on Madeleine’s birthday. I was very impressed by Isabel. She was a pocket dynamo: tiny and attractive but immensely feisty, strong, intelligent and compassionate. You could see the desire for justice burning brightly in her.

Isabel suggested that first of all we should apply for an injunction against Amaral’s book and the DVD of his documentary with the aim of preventing the distribution and further repetition of his damaging theories. The next phase would be to sue Amaral for libel. It was an inspiring meeting and I will never forget Isabel’s words to me as she leaned across the table, looking me straight in the eye: ‘Today is a very important day for your daughter.’


Are you seriously suggesting that Gerry on the day before he was to discuss the planning of the way in which they would proceed legally against Amaral would tell the world how it was all going to pan out?

All Gerry says on May 11th is that they haven't ruled out suing. They hadn't! And that they haven't done it "to date" thus leaving open the question as to whether it would happen. As, at that point they had not met with the lawyer face to face for months then it is perfectly natural he would not be giving details of any possible forthcoming case.

By trying to spin this into some terrible action on the part of Gerry McCann you are once again clutching at straws and making yourself look very foolish because I am sure people will realise that intelligent people do not, the day before they start to make arrangements for a forthcoming injunction and libel case, blab details of that to the media, especially media they have good reason not to trust.

Gosh!!! What a massive song and dance! Cage rattled?
Where did I say Gerry should have blabbed details of their writ? on national TV?

My simple observation was that the Mccanns had DECIDED they were going to SUE Mr Amaral by April 20th 2009 as Kate Mccann states in her book BUT almost a month later Gerry Mccann was telling journalists they hadnt ruled it out.....as if no decision HAD been taken when it plainly HAD BEEN! And the decision WAS to sue, not just ask for the book to be banned! AS evidenced by their WRIT lodged in June 2009?

further

A) I am on an ipad and have Kate Mccanns book on kindle so cant quote from it, thats WHY I linked to another blog where she WAS quoted...


B) You protest  too much by trying to fudge the issue of injunction/libel trial..all part and parcel of the same EXACT thing
 



Offline Cudge

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 10:31:57 PM »
when  GA wins  i bet he will sue all the pros who have slandered him online many would support him too

And if the McCanns win perhaps they will start a similar action against all their online slanderers.

Just out of interest could you provide any posts that may be construed as slanderous to Mr Amaral i.e any that cannot obviously be substantiated ?

Offline gilet

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 12:47:30 AM »
Gosh!!! What a massive song and dance! Cage rattled?
Where did I say Gerry should have blabbed details of their writ? on national TV?

My simple observation was that the Mccanns had DECIDED they were going to SUE Mr Amaral by April 20th 2009 as Kate Mccann states in her book BUT almost a month later Gerry Mccann was telling journalists they hadnt ruled it out.....as if no decision HAD been taken when it plainly HAD BEEN! And the decision WAS to sue, not just ask for the book to be banned! AS evidenced by their WRIT lodged in June 2009?

further

A) I am on an ipad and have Kate Mccanns book on kindle so cant quote from it, thats WHY I linked to another blog where she WAS quoted...


B) You protest  too much by trying to fudge the issue of injunction/libel trial..all part and parcel of the same EXACT thing

How disingenuous of you!

The entire point of your original post was that you were suggesting that Gerry McCann was in fact hiding details of the legal actions from the media.

I don't protest too much or feel any cage rattled as you rather abusively suggest.

I replied in full detail to the absurd comment you made.

Not been a good day today for you has it? That video where you gave us the time when Redwood said precisely what you claimed he didn't say really was a classic.


stephen25000

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 06:47:55 AM »
The bottom line is MCCANN lied.

YET AGAIN.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2013, 08:34:44 AM by stephen25000 »

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 10:26:01 AM »
How disingenuous of you!

The entire point of your original post was that you were suggesting that Gerry McCann was in fact hiding details of the legal actions from the media.

I don't protest too much or feel any cage rattled as you rather abusively suggest.

I replied in full detail to the absurd comment you made.

Not been a good day today for you has it? That video where you gave us the time when Redwood said precisely what you claimed he didn't say really was a classic.

No, my point was not that he was HIDING THE DETAILS of their legal action, JUST that he lied / or hid the fact they HAD DECIDED TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION....by saying we havent ruled it out! And I also asked WHY....it would only be a matter of weeks anyway before their WRIT was issued and reported on

And I had a great day thanks!
 8((()*/


Offline Albertini

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 10:44:22 AM »
Not only is it proof of the fact they are liars (a simple no comment as to why they were in Portugal would have been more honest) it was, more importantly, an example of how well and how easily they do lie.

If they can lie in that manner and so convincingly about the real reasons for going to Portugal what else are they capable of lying about and how do we determine the truth or lie of their other assertions?

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gerry right to keep his potential legal actions secret?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 10:45:47 AM »
No, my point was not that he was HIDING THE DETAILS of their legal action, JUST that he lied / or hid the fact they HAD DECIDED TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION....by saying we havent ruled it out! And I also asked WHY....it would only be a matter of weeks anyway before their WRIT was issued and reported on

And I had a great day thanks!
 8((()*/

Once again an example of the strange concept held by the sceptics that the McCanns are in some way obligated to tell them every little detail of everything they do or intend to do.   I repeat  - they are not public property and have every right to handle their own business in any way THEY see fit and not how strangers on the internet see fit.     Just like the rest of us.


   

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal