How did he do it?

[John]

Also, if it was Sheila, her thinking would not have been rational.  Wearing underwear would be a rational thought wouldn't it?

I don't believe for a minute that small feeble Sheila could have carried off such an undertaking.  In any event why go into the master bedroom to commit suicide when she could have done it in her babies bedroom?  If Sheila was acting irrationally then she would not have had the presence of mind to have been able to load, fire and reload a rifle so many times while still keeping control of the situation.  Nevill would have been able to overcome her in the main bedroom had it been Sheila.  A male attacker would have been another matter.

It is well evidenced that Sheila's nails were completely intact, the story that a nail was found in the kitchen is just that, a Tesko story.

[Andrea]

Those thing could have gone through her mind but im of the opinion that jb did it, so we will agree to disagree 

Look at the time! Wish i was tired!

[Firstimearound]

It's late Andrea I know.

Thanks all for the debate, feels good to post one's own views, theories without being attacked personally.

It's been a pleasure to chat with you all.

Ty and G'night.   

[Andrea]

Nite nite fta, take care and sleep well, nice chatting with you as always  xxx

[John]

Doing her hair and makeup would have been a rational decision also

Imo if sheila did the deed she would have wIted until she wS back in london, she didnt like whf, she would have killed herseld and her sons in her own home, also she would have wanted to die next to her children.

Now if she did it at whf, then the same thing would happened, she would have wanted to die next to her kids.

But the supposed conversation, around the kitchen table, of social services being brought in and to Sheila, the possibility of someone else having her children, of her losing them, could have sent her over the edge.   The panic, the fear, the anxiety could be enough to bring upon a sudden lapse of rational thinking, depending on her then state of mind.

Maybe the phone calls where to be made the following day, to ask for help.   Sheila may not have fully understood exactly what was being said and flipped....or panicked.

Something within Sheila's mind takes over, and she sets out to ensure she is never seperated from her sons.  To ensure this, her sons would be first on the list.  Next, mum and dad.

In this state, she then prepares herself for being re-united not only with her sons, but with her mu and dad.  If she did do this, she also made sure the boys never missed their grandparents.......and if the phone call is to be believed also, she also tried to make sure her sons never went without their uncle Jeremy too.

Maybe her thinking was to keep the family together - they were not going to be seperated, she loved her sons so much, she did it for them.

Crazy, irrational.....but is this not something that could have been going through Sheila's mind, before she embarked upon her plan to solve the problem that she understood the family had and it's consequences?

We only have Jeremy Bambers say so that any such conversation took place and on that basis it cannot be relied on as evidence.  It is uncorroborated.


Catch you all later today and we can look at these things anew.

Nite all.  xxx

[Andrea]

Nite john, take care .

[Firstimearound]

Nite John....go to bed Andrea.      xxx

[Andrea]

Im not tired fta!!!

Looking forward to sunday lunch though!

[Firstimearound]

Me too.....we're eating out tomorrow.  No cooking, no dishes....just a treat for mama.

Chat tomorrow hopefully.

Matchsticks have just broken.

Night Andrea. xxx

[Andrea]

Nite nite xxxx

[puglove]

Haughton, if you're reading this .......I can!

[puglove]

should Mike tesco be driving if he's got a brain tumour? I wonder if his insurance company knows

[Weety]

Wow, you lot were busy last night!

I agree with Andi, I think Sheila probably never knew the twins had been killed before she died. But I also take on Simon's point regarding the number of bullets used on the twins (if they were killed first) when there were still 3 adults to deal with. That's something that's bothered me for a while too. I think John's probably right - all of the shots probably weren't delivered at the same time.

FTA, no matter how irrational Sheila was I find it hard to believe that she would want to be found without underwear, particularly since she had her period. That just doesn't work for me.

Your point about blood on her feet Andi, if she came into the room via the connecting door where she was found, rather than through the main door where June was found, she wouldn't have walked through any blood would she?

[simong]

Hello Weety, What do you make of one of the twins being shot in an arc? At first i thought that an 'arc' was a shape or pattern but i believe it is a shooting style. Don't know that much about guns.  8-)(--)

[Firstimearound]

FTA, no matter how irrational Sheila was I find it hard to believe that she would want to be found without underwear, particularly since she had her period. That just doesn't work for me.






I can understand what you say, for sure, and as a rational thought I would think the same too, but there are products (are there not) that can be used and does not have to wear underwear.

I also understand how my theories as to her thinking come across, and I am aware they will not be accepted without evidence on here, but the long shot is that events do occur, without prior warning to those with severe mental illness, and the nation reads such dreadful news almost on a regular basis.

A persons thinking will determine a persons actions.......fact! 

If Sheila's thinking or perception had become confused and agitated, the consequences 'could' become quite dire (in exceptional circumstances).