How did he do it?

[Weety]

Hello Weety, What do you make of one of the twins being shot in an arc? At first i thought that an 'arc' was a shape or pattern but i believe it is a shooting style. Don't know that much about guns.  8-)(--)

I don't know what to make of the 'arc' description to be honest, it makes me think of someone shooting a large object and moving the gun in an arc whilst doing so. I don't know how to interpret that in the context of a small boy's head. Certainly the implication is that the shots were all delivered at the same time, but do we know that that is definately the case?

[puglove]

so now June's the guilty party? In other words, Mike tesko does not, and has never had the first idea what happened. What a fraud.

[Weety]

FTA, no matter how irrational Sheila was I find it hard to believe that she would want to be found without underwear, particularly since she had her period. That just doesn't work for me.






I can understand what you say, for sure, and as a rational thought I would think the same too, but there are products (are there not) that can be used and does not have to wear underwear.I also understand how my theories as to her thinking come across, and I am aware they will not be accepted without evidence on here, but the long shot is that events do occur, without prior warning to those with severe mental illness, and the nation reads such dreadful news almost on a regular basis.

A persons thinking will determine a persons actions.......fact! 

If Sheila's thinking or perception had become confused and agitated, the consequences 'could' become quite dire (in exceptional circumstances).

Well yes, but such products are still 'visible'. Put it this way, on a warm summers night I would have no problem going to bed without wearing underwear whilst using such a product. I absolutely would not do so if I was about to massacre my family and then commit suicide, sure in the knowledge that umpteen (male) police officers would be crawling all over the house in the morning. I accept your point about Sheila's mental state, but I think she would have to be a lot more 'insane' than there is evidence for if she were to behave in that way.

[Weety]

so now June's the guilty party? In other words, Mike tesko does not, and has never had the first idea what happened. What a fraud.

It depends what thread you read - in another one he has Ralph and Sheila fighting naked in the kitchen. Or maybe that was 'Smiffy'...

[simong]

Hello Weety, What do you make of one of the twins being shot in an arc? At first i thought that an 'arc' was a shape or pattern but i believe it is a shooting style. Don't know that much about guns.  8-)(--)

I don't know what to make of the 'arc' description to be honest, it makes me think of someone shooting a large object and moving the gun in an arc whilst doing so. I don't know how to interpret that in the context of a small boy's head. Certainly the implication is that the shots were all delivered at the same time, but do we know that that is definately the case?

I agree, We cannot know for sure. I shall move on to my next point. Assuming the gun was fully loaded with 10 rounds. If the twins were shot with a bullet each, this would leave 8 bullets left in the gun. Again, assuming that the killer entered the main bedroom next. I have always thought that the next spree of shooting at June and Nevill and possibly Sheila was more than 8 rounds. The maths just don't add up to me, for the twins being shot first.

[Weety]

Hello Weety, What do you make of one of the twins being shot in an arc? At first i thought that an 'arc' was a shape or pattern but i believe it is a shooting style. Don't know that much about guns.  8-)(--)

I don't know what to make of the 'arc' description to be honest, it makes me think of someone shooting a large object and moving the gun in an arc whilst doing so. I don't know how to interpret that in the context of a small boy's head. Certainly the implication is that the shots were all delivered at the same time, but do we know that that is definately the case?

I agree, We cannot know for sure. I shall move on to my next point. Assuming the gun was fully loaded with 10 rounds. If the twins were shot with a bullet each, this would leave 8 bullets left in the gun. Again, assuming that the killer entered the main bedroom next. I have always thought that the next spree of shooting at June and Nevill and possibly Sheila was more than 8 rounds. The maths just don't add up to me, for the twins being shot first.

John knows a lot more than I do about how many bullets were fired and where, but wouldn't that explain how Ralph managed to escape down the stairs?

[puglove]

What a brave girl Julie Mugford was. So young, and under such pressure, but determined to do the right thing. She deserves the happy family life and sucessful career that she now enjoys.

[simong]

I have always thought that Nevill's right side wounds and June left side wounds were inflicted upstairs in the bedroom and then you have Sheila's wounds as well. That's more than 8 rounds. I would be interested to hear John's theories on the sequence of the shooting.

[Weety]

While you're waiting for him, could it be that the magazine was refilled after shooting the twins? If it seemed that he hadn't yet been discovered, wouldn't that have been a good opportunity to do so?

[simong]

While you're waiting for him, could it be that the magazine was refilled after shooting the twins? If it seemed that he hadn't yet been discovered, wouldn't that have been a good opportunity to do so?

Absolutely possible. I would also throw in the possibility that the killer carried ammunition in their pockets. I like bouncing ideas around, tis a good way to learn about the case.

[Weety]

While you're waiting for him, could it be that the magazine was refilled after shooting the twins? If it seemed that he hadn't yet been discovered, wouldn't that have been a good opportunity to do so?

Absolutely possible. I would also throw in the possibility that the killer carried ammunition in their pockets. I like bouncing ideas around, tis a good way to learn about the case.

Yes, not many pockets in a nightie...

[simong]

While you're waiting for him, could it be that the magazine was refilled after shooting the twins? If it seemed that he hadn't yet been discovered, wouldn't that have been a good opportunity to do so?

Absolutely possible. I would also throw in the possibility that the killer carried ammunition in their pockets. I like bouncing ideas around, tis a good way to learn about the case.

Yes, not many pockets in a nightie...

 

or if you are naked.

[Weety]

While you're waiting for him, could it be that the magazine was refilled after shooting the twins? If it seemed that he hadn't yet been discovered, wouldn't that have been a good opportunity to do so?

Absolutely possible. I would also throw in the possibility that the killer carried ammunition in their pockets. I like bouncing ideas around, tis a good way to learn about the case.

Yes, not many pockets in a nightie...

 

or if you are naked.

Ha ha, yes!

[puglove]

Haughton, if you're reading this .......I can!

A touch of plagiarism, Mr Belton? I thought you never moseyed over to these parts 

[abs]

In my opinion it needed two intruders to control the situation properly or the entire attempt could have ended in farce.  I have a feeling that one intruder kept Sheila at bay while Nevill was being assaulted downstairs.  I don't believe that Sheila ever knew the twins had been killed or she would have been impossible to control.  Shona is right about the gouge marks on her as well.

I don´t agree about the gouge marks. To me they look like streams of blood coming from Sheila taking her arm up to the first wound. I have seen this happen. My husband had a sudden, fierce nosebleed. He took his arm up, placed the back of his hand on the nose and leaned forward. To my amazement, I saw the almost exact patterns of blood run down his lower arm as those seen on the photos of Sheila - I mean, it looked so similar, that my jaw dropped. The blood dried very, very quickly making the same pooling at the end of the streams of blood.
I CAN´T see that they are gouge marks, and they look nothing like the marks on Ralph´s arm, which are gouge marks. Made by what I don´t know; I don´t think fingernails, but I don´t really know, of course.