Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013

[Rachel Granada]

When did this all happen?
Sometime in 2007.

When did they give the body to someone else?
Sometime in 2007.

When did they hire a car?
When they required one.

Who from?
A hire car company.

How?
By paying the necessary funds to the hire car company.  I'm amused you fail to understand the concept of exchange of money for goods & services.

When & how did they establish which houses would be searched & which wouldn't?
Sometime in 2007 & the police couldn't enter an occupied home without a warrant, therefore not every house would be fully searched.

Why are these relatives & friends all so eager to become accomplices?
I never said they were.

Do you know anyone who would help you hide the body of a dead child?
Yes.

Welcome to the forum, Wonderfulspam.  What do you make of the fridge theory if I may ask?

[Luz]

While I largely agree with you, I wonder if it is possible to eliminate the phones ( not people) that were no where near the holiday complex at the time? I'm not sure how reliable triangulation would be.

I really don't know. But you can have a look at the PJ files, interesting data:

-Phone information http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

-deleted calls from the McCannhttp://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

[Victoria]

I really don't know. But you can have a look at the PJ files, interesting data:

-Phone information http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

-deleted calls from the McCannhttp://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

I think you'll find that the Met are looking at a lot more phone data than what you have linked to. You see, they are looking at all phone data, and not confining themselves to the Data that relates to the McCanns and their friends, who have been eliminated from the enquiry.

[Luz]

I think you'll find that the Met are looking at a lot more phone data than what you have linked to. You see, they are looking at all phone data, and not confining themselves to the Data that relates to the McCanns and their friends, who have been eliminated from the enquiry.

I know. And I find it very disturbing that the Media has been announcing that the McCann and friends have been eliminated from the enquiry without offering any explanation for that. I may be wrong, but I don't believe what the Press puts out as coming from the SY.

But I will believe it if there is a video interview where someone responsible from SY says it.

[Victoria]

I know. And I find it very disturbing that the Media has been announcing that the McCann and friends have been eliminated from the enquiry without offering any explanation for that. I may be wrong, but I don't believe what the Press puts out as coming from the SY.

They Met don't owe you an explanation. As for what comes from the press and what comes direct from the Met, its quite easy to tell between the two. The Met gives briefings and makes public statements which can be relied upon. anything that comes from an unnamed police source is probably made up.

[jassi]

As SY  appear to have, as yet, no idea as to what happened, merely a couple of theories, I don't really see how they can have definitively eliminated anyone from their inquiries.

[Victoria]

As SY  appear to have, as yet, no idea as to what happened, merely a couple of theories, I don't really see how they can have definitively eliminated anyone from their inquiries.

Then you don't understand police work.

[Rachel Granada]

As SY  appear to have, as yet, no idea as to what happened, merely a couple of theories, I don't really see how they can have definitively eliminated anyone from their inquiries.

The Met have been on this for 2.5 years, jassi.  Do you not imagine that they have done all the groundwork to eliminate the McCanns and the holiday party from their enquiries?  In fact DCI Redwood stated back on 4/7/13 that they were not persons of interest.

Or do you imagine that you know better than those who have to hand all the relevant information?

[ferryman]

As SY  appear to have, as yet, no idea as to what happened, merely a couple of theories, I don't really see how they can have definitively eliminated anyone from their inquiries.

That's a pretty insulting indictment of the work of the PJ, who spent the best part of two years investigating the McCanns and could find no evidence against them.

[Sherlock Holmes]

That was nice of you  ...  but to stretch the point,  what  is  your opinion of Express staff writers  ? 

...  what do you make of that newspaper article drummer posted  ?

Having re-read today's Express article this morning, my overwhelming feeling is one of sadness. After six and a half years, we are reading that police are looking at phone traffic in PdL, and that this is one of the main aspects of their investigation. So sad that a little girl is still missing, partly because basic matters were not properly investigated in those early days.

One would have thought that a proper analysis of phone data would have been one of the first things an investigating force would have taken charge of, but as we know, police only had a cursory look at the matter at the time.

We can debate endlessly about phone technology, and the limitations on what can be accomplished in an analysis of phone traffic given the technology then, but the bottom line is that this is only one of many matters that were swept under the rug during those crucial first few hours and days of the investigation. If not for the failure to conduct the early investigation in a professional manner, it is very possible that Madeleine would have been found and we wouldn't be sitting here today having these debates.

I am not saying anything at all new here, I realise. I am just struck today by how sad it is that after all this time, police are still doing basic spadework.

Much as I am willing to extend criticism to the McCanns if they appear to be doing something counterproductive in the search for their daughter, the bottom line is that they and successive detectives have had to direct enormous resources merely at making up for some of the very basic measures that ought to have been undertaken by police at the start.

[cherrylight]

I think that The Met do not expect it to get as far as showing the reconstruction. The mention of phones will have set the hare running.

[Rachel Granada]

I think that The Met do not expect it to get as far as showing the reconstruction. The mention of phones will have set the hare running.

I see.

So you're a member of the Operation Grange team then are you, cherrylight?

[Luz]

They Met don't owe you an explanation. As for what comes from the press and what comes direct from the Met, its quite easy to tell between the two. The Met gives briefings and makes public statements which can be relied upon. anything that comes from an unnamed police source is probably made up.

Fair enough. You keep with your Press sources and I'll keep with my no media sources.

[cherrylight]

Don't understand the question. 8-)(--)

[Luz]

Having re-read today's Express article this morning, my overwhelming feeling is one of sadness. After six and a half years, we are reading that police are looking at phone traffic in PdL, and that this is one of the main aspects of their investigation. So sad that a little girl is still missing, partly because basic matters were not properly investigated in those early days.

One would have thought that a proper analysis of phone data would have been one of the first things an investigating force would have taken charge of, but as we know, police only had a cursory look at the matter at the time.

We can debate endlessly about phone technology, and the limitations on what can be accomplished in an analysis of phone traffic given the technology then, but the bottom line is that this is only one of many matters that were swept under the rug during those crucial first few hours and days of the investigation. If not for the failure to conduct the early investigation in a professional manner, it is very possible that Madeleine would have been found and we wouldn't be sitting here today having these debates.

I am not saying anything at all new here, I realise. I am just struck today by how sad it is that after all this time, police are still doing basic spadework.

Much as I am willing to extend criticism to the McCanns if they appear to be doing something counterproductive in the search for their daughter, the bottom line is that they and successive detectives have had to direct enormous resources merely at making up for some of the very basic measures that ought to have been undertaken by police at the start.

Maybe you should give less attention to the Express, that since they had to pay £550.000 to the McCann became their apologists, and start looking at the PJ files before accusing anyone of anything.

I feel as frustrated as you, but not about the flabbergast theories around this case, I feel frustrated that if there was any chance that a little 3 year old was alive in May 4th 2007, nobody that should have protected her, and I mean absolutely no single person in her family and friends moved a hand to help her. The Police and many anonymous people looked for her that night and for countless days, but not her parents, family or friends. Twelve hours later not a single car in the Algarve could travel without being thoroughly inspected. The sea, the land, the airports, everything was under scrutiny. And yet it is the police that is to blame and not the ones that probably allowed her to have a fatal accident! It's frustrating indeed.

And I don't want to believe that the Scotland Yard is covering up a crime like this.

And I'm sorry Sherlock, I don't want you to be the target of my frustration.