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Offline Benice

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #135 on: October 13, 2013, 12:29:06 PM »
I am willing to accept that anyone having enjoyed an evening of wine and laughter -  faced with the mind-blowing trauma of a child "going missing" - might quite reasonably muddle/confuse the exact timings /sequences of events.  Anyhow you are clearly not pro-justice if you declare people to be liars without balanced consideration.

None of them except Gerry with his 9.05 time claimed to be able to give accurate times.   When they do give times they prefix them with ... 'about' or .....'around'.      Many of the witness statements of staff members differ wildly when it comes to times.   

There is obviously scope for error there, but discrepancies would not be automatically regarded as suspicious by experienced police officers.  In fact they would regard them as normal - especially when dealing with a large group of people.

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Offline Luz

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #136 on: October 13, 2013, 12:30:48 PM »
You all are forgetting that the presumed abductor was a clumsy, swarthy looking guy (I know that recently they are trying to make him a German or Scandinavian) that abducted a child from an apartment and went to a nice walk around the village, with the said child, for almost an hour. The moron didn't even have a car to make a swift escape and to avoid being seen, how could he be going towards the Spanish border?!


Offline Luz

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #137 on: October 13, 2013, 12:37:45 PM »
Of course discrepancies are expected, of course nobody expects people to be looking at their watches when a traumatic even is announced, but that is not what a change of timeline means.

According to one of the BBC trailers, Madeleine is going to be shown in the tennis court while her father and mother were playing "just hours before she was abducted"...where does it fit with the account made by Mr. McCann, Mrs. McCann and Mr. Payne that he was sent by the father to check on the family in the apartment at 18:30h(?)!!!No witness ever mentioned that Kate McCann and/or the child were in the tennis court that afternoon.
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Offline Victoria

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #138 on: October 13, 2013, 12:43:58 PM »
Of course discrepancies are expected, of course nobody expects people to be looking at their watches when a traumatic even is announced, but that is not what a change of timeline means.

According to one of the BBC trailers, Madeleine is going to be shown in the tennis court while her father and mother were playing "just hours before she was abducted"...where does it fit with the account made by Mr. McCann, Mrs. McCann and Mr. Payne that he was sent by the father to check on the family in the apartment at 18:30h(?)!!!No witness ever mentioned that Kate McCann and/or the child were in the tennis court that afternoon.

Have the BBC, crimewatch, or the Met said that part of the reonstruction is 'just hours before she was abducted' or was it a newspaper? Check your facts.

Offline jassi

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #139 on: October 13, 2013, 12:50:41 PM »
None of them except Gerry with his 9.05 time claimed to be able to give accurate times.   When they do give times they prefix them with ... 'about' or .....'around'.      Many of the witness statements of staff members differ wildly when it comes to times.   

There is obviously scope for error there, but discrepancies would not be automatically regarded as suspicious by experienced police officers.  In fact they would regard them as normal - especially when dealing with a large group of people.

The quotes in the papers say 'significant changes'. To me that sounds like more than a few minutes discrepancy between different accounts. SY obviously consider it to be important.
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Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #140 on: October 13, 2013, 12:56:54 PM »
None of the tapas group had the profile of child abusers, whether sexual or otherwise. They were all happy to let their kids go off with nannies and child minders for most of the day - if they were abusing their children there is no way they would have ceded this much control over their children. Abusers, especially sexual abusers, would spend a lot more to with children when they had the opportunity, and would certainly not have allowed other people access to their children because they would not want to give up a position of control.

So child abuse on the part of any of the parents can be completely discounted.

This is utter nonsense. A friend of mine has a daughter who only had contact with her father for about 6 hours on one day a week. He used that time to sexually abuse her. It took her a year to be able to tell her Mother.

I'm not suggesting that that means any member of the Tapas 9 were child molesters, I'm just not capable of letting the above comments go by unchallenged.

Children are abused in all kinds on situations that we find difficult to understand, however, when you insist that "it's not possible" you do extreme damage to any child wishing to report the abuse.

Once again, this is a general statement and I am not suggesting for one moment that any of the adults in Madeleine's group we paedophiles or that any of the children were subject to abuse.

I am saying that child abuse happens and that victims need to be listened to with an open mind.

Offline Luz

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #141 on: October 13, 2013, 01:14:55 PM »
This is utter nonsense. A friend of mine has a daughter who only had contact with her father for about 6 hours on one day a week. He used that time to sexually abuse her. It took her a year to be able to tell her Mother.

I'm not suggesting that that means any member of the Tapas 9 were child molesters, I'm just not capable of letting the above comments go by unchallenged.

Children are abused in all kinds on situations that we find difficult to understand, however, when you insist that "it's not possible" you do extreme damage to any child wishing to report the abuse.

Once again, this is a general statement and I am not suggesting for one moment that any of the adults in Madeleine's group we paedophiles or that any of the children were subject to abuse.

I am saying that child abuse happens and that victims need to be listened to with an open mind.


Thank you for emphasizing this. God knows there are too many abused children and teens that go on for years and years afraid to ask for help.

NOTE: Like the above poster, it is not my intention to insinuate that this observation has anything to do with the case under discussion.

Offline Benice

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #142 on: October 13, 2013, 02:45:11 PM »
The quotes in the papers say 'significant changes'. To me that sounds like more than a few minutes discrepancy between different accounts. SY obviously consider it to be important.

I agree.   My post was in relation to the suggestion that discrepancies in times proved people were lying.
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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #143 on: October 13, 2013, 02:54:25 PM »
I'm curious as to how Kate and Gerry managed to open the doors each time they went in and out unless they left a tiny gap so that they could get a hand in to push the sliding glass door open. If the doors were closed all the way, the only way to open them, if they were not locked, would be to press your palm on the glass and try to push it to the side.

I wonder why no adequate fingerprints were retrieved by forensics, on the patio door,  except for a GNR's print.

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Offline jassi

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #144 on: October 13, 2013, 02:57:46 PM »
I wonder why no adequate fingerprints were retrieved by forensics, on the patio door,  except for a GNR's print.

Maybe they were very houseproud
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #145 on: October 13, 2013, 03:20:49 PM »
Maybe they were very houseproud

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Offline LagosBen

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #146 on: October 13, 2013, 03:53:29 PM »
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Sorry,

BUT .... !

Oh so why the poster carry on then Luz?

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #147 on: October 13, 2013, 06:05:38 PM »
quote   " Of course discrepancies are expected, of course nobody expects people to be looking at their watches when a traumatic even is announced, but that is not what a change of timeline means. "

 Agree,, but there were SO MANY inconsistencies, a huge red flag to any police officer.

 My job involves me highlighting discrepancies and interviewing people under caution.
 Too much consistency in a group is another red flag.
 But Kate in her book gave an exact time for Gerrys check.
And iirc said  by his watch !
Clarrie said no watches worn that night, maybe the checks were between courses rather than by the clock.
I think the revelation will be that the checks were not as frequent as claimed which will open a whole can of worms.

oh and the last independent sighting of Maddie, from a person outside the group.

eta  I am not at liberty to describe my work other than to say it is for the Home Office and that I have signed the OSA.

The Smith family were outside the group. Do we mean a different sighting from that?

I agree there must be new information coming in here, which alters the interpretation of the timeline so far given by T9.  A simple revision of the exact times does not constitute a new timeline.

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Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #148 on: October 13, 2013, 06:19:02 PM »
The Smith family were outside the group. Do we mean a different sighting from that?

I agree there must be new information coming in here, which alters the interpretation of the timeline so far given by T9.  A simple revision of the exact times does not constitute a new timeline.

Is that now a confirmed sighting of Madeleine?

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??
« Reply #149 on: October 13, 2013, 06:27:58 PM »
Is that now a confirmed sighting of Madeleine?

I don't know.

The question is do Scotland Yard consider it as read.