Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[mercury]

The time it would take anyone to get to their apartment is of no relevance to anything ..their kids could be dead and they wouldn't know it for half an hour later, whether they got their in 6 or 30 seconds, such a stupid argument surrounding how long it takes them to leave their sangria and tapas to go check,,,and let's face it, even if they were dead, they wouldn't know at all all night whilst checking as they never did a visual check, fact..oh oh oh apart from that one night, alledegdly,  go argue it

[pegasus]

About 6 seconds as the crow flies.

Do you mean literally a crow flying? Or a doctor flying like a crow?
And it depends on what species of crow.
The American crow can reportedly fly at 30 to 60 mph and even reach 70 mph in a dive.
However I believe they are not native to that land.
Also it would depend on whether the crow is carrying a heavy food item in its beak.
BTW I am not making light of a very serious matter, I am in fact rubbishing the PR who quoted "crow-flying" distances which are irrelevant to the child who had no wings, and even then they measured to the balcony instead of the child's bed, as if they they were there to "image-manage" the disappearance of a plastic chair from the balcony.

[pegasus]

The time it would take anyone to get to their apartment is of no relevance to anything ..their kids could be dead and they wouldn't know it for half an hour later, whether they got their in 6 or 30 seconds, such a stupid argument surrounding how long it takes them to leave their sangria and tapas to go check,,,and let's face it, even if they were dead, they wouldn't know at all all night whilst checking as they never did a visual check, fact..oh oh oh apart from that one night, alledegdly,  go argue it

Yes whether it was 85 metres or 95 metres makes little difference as there was absolutely no line of sight and no audibility of the child bedroom - as you say, nothing. But the PR which appeared from just a few days after and up to now included incorrect statements of the distance which ignored the actual location of the child (north bedroom) and the fact that doctors are not avians, Therefore it's important to correct that PR manipulation rubbish with the correct distance from the perspective of the child, which is 90 metres.

[misty]

Do you mean literally a crow flying? Or a doctor flying like a crow?
And it depends on what species of crow.
The American crow can reportedly fly at 30 to 60 mph and even reach 70 mph in a dive.
However I believe they are not native to that land.
Also it would depend on whether the crow is carrying a heavy food item in its beak.
BTW I am not making light of a very serious matter, I am in fact rubbishing the PR who quoted "crow-flying" distances which are irrelevant to the child who had no wings, and even then they measured to the balcony instead of the child's bed, as if they they were there to "image-manage" the disappearance of a plastic chair from the balcony.

We are lucky enough to have a pair of crows, which produce 2 sets of babies each year, nesting in a huge lime tree at the bottom of our garden. They are fascinating to watch, except when they have living fledgling blackbirds in their beaks. The parents are huge and can cover a good distance in a very short space of time.
Crow-flying distance is merely a reference to the shortest measurable distance between 2 points from an aerial perspective. The terrain & obstacles on the ground may well considerably extend the distance  & time coverage between the same 2 points.
I think we have all long got past the point that the McCanns could not possibly have seen the lower half of the patio door or heard anyone calling from the balcony. I understand there was also music in the Tapas Bar.

[mercury]

Yes whether it was 85 metres or 95 metres makes little difference as there was absolutely no line of sight and no audibility of the child bedroom - as you say, nothing. But the PR which appeared just a few days after included incorrect statements of the distance which ignored the actual location of the child (north bedroom) and the fact that doctors are not avians, and therefore it's important to correct that PR manipulation rubbish with the correct distance from the perspective of the child, which is 90 metres.

Yup that's any rational and reasonable persons take

Not sure why any PR or lawyer and mccanns  even bothered to lie and mitigate in the circumstances....was only going to be hoisted by own petard which seems to have become an ongoing pattern for a few years in a variety of issues

[pegasus]

We are lucky enough to have a pair of crows, which produce 2 sets of babies each year, nesting in a huge lime tree at the bottom of our garden. They are fascinating to watch, except when they have living fledgling blackbirds in their beaks. The parents are huge and can cover a good distance in a very short space of time.
Crow-flying distance is merely a reference to the shortest measurable distance between 2 points from an aerial perspective. The terrain & obstacles on the ground may well considerably extend the distance  & time coverage between the same 2 points.
I think we have all long got past the point that the McCanns could not possibly have seen the lower half of the patio door or heard anyone calling from the balcony. I understand there was also music in the Tapas Bar.

Presumably your crows do responsible parenting at a travel distance of 90 metres providing they have a clear line of site to the children in the nest and of course they also have good audibilty.
Good point about music at tapas - do we have a source?

[pegasus]

Yup that's any rational and reasonable persons take

Not sure why any PR or lawyer and mccanns  even bothered to lie and mitigate in the circumstances....was only going to be hoisted by own petard which seems to have become an ongoing pattern for a few years in a variety of issues

Those PR and legal types who at sat at the table and came up that stuff made a mistake imagining the GBP would swallow it IMO.

[mercury]

Presumably your crows do responsible parenting at a travel distance of 90 metres providing they have a clear line of site to the children in the nest and of course they also have good audibilty.
Good point about music at tapas - do we have a source?

lol

SOMEONE told Philomena McCann the parents had a clear line of sight to the kids though she didn't mention crows

This was a lie

[mercury]

Those PR and legal types who at sat at the table and came up that stuff made a mistake imagining the GBP would swallow it IMO.

Pretty sad such imbeciles get paid so much for actually damaging their clients , but I'm sure they both made enough to buy a jag or two ...the amounts paid to lawyers and PR and other professional "servers" from the Madeleine fund was horrendously high...they got more than anyone actually looking for Madeleine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1131284/Where-2m-gave-Madeleine-McCann-gone.html

[misty]

Presumably your crows do responsible parenting at a travel distance of 90 metres providing they have a clear line of site to the children in the nest and of course they also have good audibilty.
Good point about music at tapas - do we have a source?

Every year one of the babies leaves the nest before it can fly. The baby often ends up hiding in the undergrowth & the parenting is seemingly blind but very audible, even at night.
The Tapas music -
http://blogs.thisismoney.co.uk/2007/05/my_experience_o.html
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I can imagine the McCanns’ dilemma. The ‘dining out club’ was more than a five-minute walk from where the McCanns stayed along cobbled streets or a winding pedestrian path through the apartments. It’s not far - it worked brilliantly for us on most nights - but it would have felt much further if you had to ferry thee children there and back (and hope they were still asleep after doing so). Plus parents were required to wait until children under two, which includes the McCanns’ twins, were asleep. We talked to parents who said this was enough to put them off the option.

The McCanns opted instead to eat 40-50m from their apartment, not much more than a pool’s width away. They hoped it would be just close enough to hear a crying baby but with bar music playing and restaurant hubbub, it wasn’t close enough to hear what happened to Madeleine that night.

I can't imagine what they're going through now. I, along with millions others, only hope they can find her soon and safe.

- Andrew Oxlade, Editor, This is Money

[pegasus]

Pretty sad such imbeciles get paid so much for actually damaging their clients , but I'm sure they both made enough to buy a jag or two ...the amounts paid to lawyers and PR and other professional "servers" from the Madeleine fund was horrendously high...they got more than anyone actually looking for Madeleine

I imagine they got paid a bit more than the many volunteers who spent many days searching the surrounding countryside. Back on topic, the if-docs-could-fly distance from table to child was 60 metres. Anyone disputing that?

[pegasus]

Thanks for that confirmation that there was music played at tapas bar Misty.

[mercury]

I imagine they got paid a bit more than the many volunteers who spent many days searching the surrounding countryside. Back on topic, the if-docs-could-fly distance from table to child was 60 metres. Anyone disputing that?

Yes the souls that went out day and night after day and night and took it off working or holidays but the fragrant Kate had the gall to utter could have organised ther search better whlst she did no searchng but sat indoors prayng and texting and then breaking beds or something

The relevant distance doesn't matter does it? If the kids were on fire
And unless the tapas group were all jumbo the elephants couldn't hear them either in other words they had no idea whatsoever what state their kids were in from where they were

[pegasus]

Yes the souls that went out day and night after day and night and took it off working or holidays but the fragrant Kate had the gall to utter could have organised ther search better whlst she did no searchng but sat indoors prayng and texting and then breaking beds or something

The relevant distance doesn't matter does it? If the kids were on fire
And unless the tapas group were all jumbo the elephants couldn't hear them either in other words they had no idea whatsoever what state their kids were in from where they were

I'm certainly not criticising KM, and I'm not interested in the 90 metres itself, I'm only interested in solving the major issue which is where exactly did the child end up.

[Eleanor]

I'm certainly not criticising KM, and I'm not interested in the 90 metres itself, I'm only interested in solving the major issue which is where exactly did the child end up.

Long gone, and long ago out of Portugal.  And No, the distance isn't important because it wasn't very far.  And having done the same myself I am in no position to criticise anyone.