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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #180 on: October 25, 2015, 06:22:27 PM »
Get over yourself. If Madeleine was abducted, it doesn't negate their failure to protect her adequately. Nice?

could you remove your words in red...they are immflamatory and abusive

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #181 on: October 25, 2015, 06:26:36 PM »
We all know as parents that children have been abducted or run over whilst out and about - walking to school, playing outside, running an errand.  This being the case, if one of our children is taken or hurt whilst taking part in these activities, are we at fault for allowing them to take part in activities during which they may come to harm?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #182 on: October 25, 2015, 06:41:21 PM »
We all know as parents that children have been abducted or run over whilst out and about - walking to school, playing outside, running an errand.  This being the case, if one of our children is taken or hurt whilst taking part in these activities, are we at fault for allowing them to take part in activities during which they may come to harm?

Would any of the above be relevant to a three year old ? Would they be walking to school, playing outside by themselves or indeed running an errand ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #183 on: October 25, 2015, 06:43:19 PM »
Would any of the above be relevant to a three year old ? Would they be walking to school, playing outside by themselves or indeed running an errand ?

mcann supporters try and make maddie seem older then she was    to justify  what the mcanns  did

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #184 on: October 25, 2015, 06:45:34 PM »
Life is full of risk and for children to experience life they have to face risks just as we all do. Falling off things, getting momentarily lost, cutting oneself are all things that happen to children regardless of how careful their parents are.

If very young children have accidents and it seems they were left home alone on a regular basis then social services and/or the law step in for the sake of the child. They step in because we all know that leaving very young children home alone is dangerous, so parents doing that are seen as endangering their children.

In the McCann case no action was taken as far as we know. That's the point, we don't know. They may have been visited on a regular basis by social services once they returned to the UK so as to ensure that their twins were being cared for adequately.
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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #185 on: October 25, 2015, 06:53:07 PM »
Life is full of risk and for children to experience life they have to face risks just as we all do. Falling off things, getting momentarily lost, cutting oneself are all things that happen to children regardless of how careful their parents are.

If very young children have accidents and it seems they were left home alone on a regular basis then social services and/or the law step in for the sake of the child. They step in because we all know that leaving very young children home alone is dangerous, so parents doing that are seen as endangering their children.

In the McCann case no action was taken as far as we know. That's the point, we don't know. They may have been visited on a regular basis by social services once they returned to the UK so as to ensure that their twins were being cared for adequately.
awesome psot and didnt kate mcann say she invited social services  into their house?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #186 on: October 25, 2015, 07:27:21 PM »
awesome psot and didnt kate mcann say she invited social services  into their house?

Well the petition for social services to look at them was in the public domain. Much better to volunteer than wait for the visit, don't you think?
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Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #187 on: October 25, 2015, 07:29:23 PM »
Would any of the above be relevant to a three year old ? Would they be walking to school, playing outside by themselves or indeed running an errand ?
It was the principle of parental responsibility and culpability that I was exploring.  If we know that certain activities have potentially seriously dangerous outcomes (whether it be leaving young children asleep in an apartment whilst out dining nearby or allowing them to walk unchaperoned to school) should we as parents be held criminally responsible if such activities end in disaster?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #188 on: October 25, 2015, 07:33:50 PM »
Well the petition for social services to look at them was in the public domain. Much better to volunteer than wait for the visit, don't you think?

In her role as a GP KM probably sat on committees looking at children potentially and actually at risk and whether or not they should be put on the register. She certainly would have been briefed on the subject matter as part of her training. She would therefore have been aware of the full SP.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #189 on: October 25, 2015, 07:47:51 PM »
In her role as a GP KM probably sat on committees looking at children potentially and actually at risk and whether or not they should be put on the register. She certainly would have been briefed on the subject matter as part of her training. She would therefore have been aware of the full SP.

Indeed she would have been aware of most of the SP ... why would she have given a thought to abduction in a sleepy, child friendly holiday resort?

No-one has that excuse any longer ... do they?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #190 on: October 25, 2015, 08:20:05 PM »
Anyone who measures the distance from the table to the balcony door is deceiving you - the child was in the far bedroom - measure to there.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #191 on: October 25, 2015, 09:20:15 PM »
It was the principle of parental responsibility and culpability that I was exploring.  If we know that certain activities have potentially seriously dangerous outcomes (whether it be leaving young children asleep in an apartment whilst out dining nearby or allowing them to walk unchaperoned to school) should we as parents be held criminally responsible if such activities end in disaster?

I'm not sure letting a child of school age walk to school can be compared to leaving three children under three alone in an unlocked apartment on a main road but I'm sure you'll try.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #192 on: October 25, 2015, 09:37:50 PM »
It was the principle of parental responsibility and culpability that I was exploring.  If we know that certain activities have potentially seriously dangerous outcomes (whether it be leaving young children asleep in an apartment whilst out dining nearby or allowing them to walk unchaperoned to school) should we as parents be held criminally responsible if such activities end in disaster?

We are speaking of just one scenario here, though. Do you have children/grandchildren Alfred? Would you leave them at the ages of three and two asleep in your unlocked house or flat while you popped to the pub next door for a meal and a bottle of wine? If the answer is no then you are a responsible parent/grandparent. Simple.
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Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #193 on: October 25, 2015, 09:40:01 PM »
I'm not sure letting a child of school age walk to school can be compared to leaving three children under three alone in an unlocked apartment on a main road but I'm sure you'll try.
I think you're missing the point I was makng.  It is about being a parent and knowing that certain actions carry risks and yet still facilitating  them on way or the other.  If anything I would say allowing a child to walk to school alone puts said child in greater danger than leaving him asleep and alone for periods of up to 30 minutes.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #194 on: October 25, 2015, 09:47:10 PM »
We are speaking of just one scenario here, though. Do you have children/grandchildren Alfred? Would you leave them at the ages of three and two asleep in your unlocked house or flat while you popped to the pub next door for a meal and a bottle of wine? If the answer is no then you are a responsible parent/grandparent. Simple.

have you smoked in the presence of your children...if you have you are not a responsible parent