Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[Admin]

I think the 50-70 metres that we have been told is referring to door to gate.

It takes about a minute to walk from restaurant to 5A
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474428/In-pictures-120-metre-route-check-Madeleine.html

The 50 metres referred to previoulsy by Sadie is the 'as the crow flies' distance ie a straight line from the balcony of 5a to the entrance to the tapas restaurant.

[pegasus]

The 50 metres referred to previoulsy by Sadie is the 'as the crow flies' distance ie a straight line from the balcony of 5a to the entrance to the tapas restaurant.

Yes but that's a completely irrelevant distance.
Because there was absolutely zero visibility and zero audibility of the child bedroom from the restuarant.

The walking distance between children and parents was 90 metres and that is the only distance that's relevant.

[G-Unit]

so it would have been ok had the apartment been locked....the mcccanns and maddie were simply very unlucky...Mark Warner changed their policy after Maddie and I'm sure far less children have been left to sleep in hotel rooms and apartments since but I bet it still goes on

No it wouldn't have been OK. All the group neglected their kids but the McCanns went that bit further. Luck is associated with risk and gambling and clearly they gambled with the children's safety.

If Madeleine had exited the patio door and seriously injured herself falling down the steps it wouldn't have been bad luck it would have been an accident waiting to happen which most parents would have been able to predict. I am very sorry for poor Madeleine and I refuse to accept that those who should have cared for her were 'unlucky'.

No-one who leaves children home alone expects an abduction, but anyone with any sense knows that children can have accidents when left alone. It seems there's a huge group of people out there who see nothing wrong in leaving children home alone. If the kids get hurt or abducted it's just the luck of the draw.

Those who profess to care about Madeleine nevertheless refuse to accept that her parents clearly share the blame for what happened to her. Madeleine didn't gamble with her own safety, she was too young to make such decisions. She was unlucky to have such uncaring parents who failed to take proper care of her. What they did was wrong, whether the distance was 50 feet, 50 metres or whatever.

[Mr Gray]

No it wouldn't have been OK. All the group neglected their kids but the McCanns went that bit further. Luck is associated with risk and gambling and clearly they gambled with the children's safety.

If Madeleine had exited the patio door and seriously injured herself falling down the steps it wouldn't have been bad luck it would have been an accident waiting to happen which most parents would have been able to predict. I am very sorry for poor Madeleine and I refuse to accept that those who should have cared for her were 'unlucky'.

No-one who leaves children home alone expects an abduction, but anyone with any sense knows that children can have accidents when left alone. It seems there's a huge group of people out there who see nothing wrong in leaving children home alone. If the kids get hurt or abducted it's just the luck of the draw.

Those who profess to care about Madeleine nevertheless refuse to accept that her parents clearly share the blame for what happened to her. Madeleine didn't gamble with her own safety, she was too young to make such decisions. She was unlucky to have such uncaring parents who failed to take proper care of her. What they did was wrong, whether the distance was 50 feet, 50 metres or whatever.

baby listening has been an acceptable part of british parenting for the last 50 years with no record of any serious mishaps. Maddie has changed all that. All I can see is you and others using it as another stick to beat the mccanns...simple

[Mr Gray]

A young couple were murdered on a deserted beach in Thailand....are they to blame for putting themselves in such a vulnerable position

[slartibartfast]

baby listening has been an acceptable part of british parenting for the last 50 years with no record of any serious mishaps. Maddie has changed all that. All I can see is you and others using it as another stick to beat the mccanns...simple

You don't leave your kids alone in a different building until they are old enough to look after themselves. Simple.

[Benice]

Yes, this is the problem I had and continue to have. Not once have I heard them say  'please do not do what we did and don't leave your children unattended when you go abroad'!The excuses are something else!  I hope they look back and think what the hell was I thinking saying that! But I so doubt it, such is their arrogance.

The distance in the dark, and music playing in the Tapas bar would suggest they could not 'see/hear' their children. Previous nights of the  children crying were not only ignored but dismissed by the parents when challenged by their daughter.

The other point: if they could see /hear the children, as they were so close and were checking every half hour as they claimed, how did they miss the abductor?

PR from the beginning, what are they hiding? the shame of neglecting their children in the eyes of many?

If the McCanns had done what you say (in bold above) - what do you think the reaction of people like yourself would have been?

Would it have been 

 (1)  ''Well done the McCanns - for giving that sound advice'

or would it have been:

(2) ''How dare you!  I don't need YOUR advice - as unlike YOU - I would never have left my children in the first place!''

I suggest it would be No. 2 - and the McCanns would have been ripped to ribbons for saying it.    In fact IMO it would have become one of the biggest sticks ever used to beat them with - and would be dragged out ad nauseam as proof of their 'arrogance'.

Quote from KMs book

.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity..  We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
Unquote

Quote from KM
''Whatever we had or had not done right, we were Madeleine's 'parents and in our own eyes we had failed to keep her safe. We struggled to bear that sense of guilt and we always will.
Unquote.

Those two examples alone are clear admissions of the guilt they feel and will feel  for the rest of their lives.     

So why do some sceptics claim they have never blamed themselves?  It is simply not true.
 

[Mr Gray]

You don't leave your kids alone in a different building until they are old enough to look after themselves. Simple.

so were the young couple in Thailand responsible for their own deaths by putting themselves in danger

[Mr Gray]

You don't leave your kids alone in a different building until they are old enough to look after themselves. Simple.

that's your opinion..nothing more...the mccanns broke no laws

[slartibartfast]

A young couple were murdered on a deserted beach in Thailand....are they to blame for putting themselves in such a vulnerable position

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributory_negligence

[slartibartfast]

If the McCanns had done what you say (in bold above) - what do you think the reaction of people like yourself would have been?

Would it have been 

 (1)  ''Well done the McCanns - for giving that sound advice'

or would it have been:

(2) ''How dare you!  I don't need YOUR advice - as unlike YOU - I would never have left my children in the first place!''

I suggest it would be No. 2 - and the McCanns would have been ripped to ribbons for saying it.    In fact IMO it would have become one of the biggest sticks ever used to beat them with - and would be dragged out ad nauseam as proof of their 'arrogance'.

Quote from KMs book

.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity..  We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
Unquote

Quote from KM
''Whatever we had or had not done right, we were Madeleine's 'parents and in our own eyes we had failed to keep her safe. We struggled to bear that sense of guilt and we always will.
Unquote.

Those two examples alone are clear admissions of the guilt they feel and will feel  for the rest of their lives.     

So why do some sceptics claim they have never blamed themselves?  It is simply not true.

Do you not see the qualifications in those quotes?

[slartibartfast]

that's your opinion..nothing more...the mccanns broke no laws

Not in Portugal.

[Mr Gray]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributory_negligence

so you think the couple were partially to blame for their own death...that has certainly answered the question...most bizarre...imo

[Mr Gray]

Not in Portugal.

that's where they were

[slartibartfast]

so you think the couple were partially to blame for their own death...that has certainly answered the question...most bizarre...imo

No idea, don't know the details, the beach in question etc. Presumably they would have had no responsibility if they had been on holiday in Mogadishu?