Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[misty]

I think they would have had to watch the whole group and the group weren't that predictable. Sunday evening Matt stayed in, Tuesday evening Russell stayed in, Wednesday evening Rachael stayed in. Unless they were watching at 8.30pm, Kate could have been in that evening. Gerry could have been just checking on her.

Kate & Gerry were the only ones who used the rear of the property for access & exit of an evening. That much was predictable.

[ShiningInLuz]

I think they would have had to watch the whole group and the group weren't that predictable. Sunday evening Matt stayed in, Tuesday evening Russell stayed in, Wednesday evening Rachael stayed in. Unless they were watching at 8.30pm, Kate could have been in that evening. Gerry could have been just checking on her.

There were a number of places from which it was easy to monitor the whole group.

Distance or knowledge?  Which is more important?

[pegasus]

Baby listening has been used for at least 50 years....can anyone come up with a serious incident associated with it...apart from Maddie...just how dangerous is it

Ask the child Sandra Davel.

Anyway this bunch of tourists had never used a listening service.

[Brietta]

When the B family failed to get a table we should emphasise that this was not the B family's fault.
It was due to the failure of four other families to desist from selfishly bypassing the normal daily booking system and hogging the restaurant. Ask K and J - they were the more considerate ones who were not happy with doing it.

It does not alter the fact that it had been their original intention to dine in the tapas restaurant, not on the Berry balcony. 

[pegasus]

It does not alter the fact that it had been their original intention to dine in the tapas restaurant, not on the Berry balcony.

Yes they had hoped to put their kids in evening creche and dine at Tapas.

[pathfinder73]

Matt said he took the quickest route which is back the same way.

[Brietta]

Yes they had hoped to put their kids in evening creche and dine at Tapas.

I had assumed they had intended bringing the children with them for the meal, hence the squeeze.  Strange the tapas restaurant were unable to place another two chairs at the Balu table to accommodate them if the children were to be in the evening crèche.

Perhaps the decision not to place the children in the crèche and dine instead at home ... had something to do with the requirements necessary when placing the children there for a couple of hours. 

Whatever the Balu and Berry child care arrangements as opposed to the listening service the Drs McCann and their friends used ~ it doesn't change the fact that whatever the distance involved from the restaurant to the apartments ~ no-one had the right to invade the McCann apartment, or anyone else's for that matter, and take a child.

[pegasus]

Anyway it is simply a fact that it was 90 metres walk from parents to children, there was zero visibility of the children, and zero audibility of the children.

[Alice Purjorick]

I had assumed they had intended bringing the children with them for the meal, hence the squeeze.  Strange the tapas restaurant were unable to place another two chairs at the Balu table to accommodate them if the children were to be in the evening crèche.

Perhaps the decision not to place the children in the crèche and dine instead at home ... had something to do with the requirements necessary when placing the children there for a couple of hours. 

Whatever the Balu and Berry child care arrangements as opposed to the listening service the Drs McCann and their friends used ~ it doesn't change the fact that whatever the distance involved from the restaurant to the apartments ~ no-one had the right to invade the McCann apartment, or anyone else's for that matter, and take a child.

Which listening service would that be then?

[Alice Purjorick]

Anyway it is simply a fact that it was 90 metres walk from parents to children, there was zero visibility of the children, and zero audibility of the children.

Correct!, except that as the crow flies it is only 50m and if you're wearing your Joe 90 glasses and have Steve Austin ears fitted no problems in getting in the know; it's like being in the next room. And if you can run like Monkey in The Water Margin even better.

[pegasus]

I had assumed they had intended bringing the children with them for the meal, hence the squeeze.  Strange the tapas restaurant were unable to place another two chairs at the Balu table to accommodate them if the children were to be in the evening crèche.

Perhaps the decision not to place the children in the crèche and dine instead at home ... had something to do with the requirements necessary when placing the children there for a couple of hours. 

Whatever the Balu and Berry child care arrangements as opposed to the listening service the Drs McCann and their friends used ~ it doesn't change the fact that whatever the distance involved from the restaurant to the apartments ~ no-one had the right to invade the McCann apartment, or anyone else's for that matter, and take a child.

These people went to the receptionist in the morning to book a table for the evening and were told "sorry full up for tonight". On morning 3rd, Mr B and Ms C were not the only couple to be told "sorry fully booked" - it also happened to a Mr and Mrs M -  and probably to other couples too. If the LDLTHS hadn't been there, there would have been room for all those honest diners.

[pegasus]

Correct!, except that as the crow flies it is only 50m and if you're wearing your Joe 90 glasses and have Steve Austin ears fitted no problems in getting in the know; it's like being in the next room. And if you can run like Monkey in The Water Margin even better.

Yes 90 metres walk, Alice you and me are immune to to the image-management techniques. The PR peeps seem to have retrofitted the diners not only with J90 glasses and SA ears but also with Bond jetpacks. Now here's an odd thing - if you draw around the table a circle of radius exactly (using the image-management figure) 50 metres, it doesn't pass anywhere near the child bedroom, actually it passes through the climbing plant in the back garden, and last time I checked the PJ photos there were no child beds or cots in that climbing plant.

[misty]

These people went to the receptionist in the morning to book a table for the evening and were told "sorry full up for tonight". On morning 3rd, Mr B and Ms C were not the only couple to be told "sorry fully booked" - it also happened to a Mr and Mrs M -  and probably to other couples too. If the LDLTHS hadn't been there, there would have been room for all those honest diners.

Yet somehow [Name removed] & AW, who weren't on the booking list, ate there that night.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html
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 On the evening of May 3, the sisters ate in the same tapas restaurant as the McCann party.

Neither of them remembers the doctors being rowdy or drinking heavily that night, as other witnesses have suggested.

Mrs Jensen, a bar manager, said: "They were not noisy or dominating the restaurant. They were just a party of friends enjoying a meal."
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Also, MS if he was indeed "Rasta Man" & his wife don't appear to have dined there that night, despite the booking.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

[pegasus]

It was not like dining in the back garden - the garden table and chairs were empty.

[pegasus]

Yet somehow [Name removed] & AW, who weren't on the booking list, ate there that night.

Yes that's easy possibly another couple said hey have our booking we've decided to get takeaway instead.