Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[Alice Purjorick]

Let's throw about some ideas regarding what a positive outcome for the McCann family might be then.  Here's one - Madeleine found safe and well and returned to her family.
Any others?

I asked politely of the poster known on here as Brietta. I think it only common courtesy she respond in like manner after all it is not too difficult.
So talk to your self Alf.

[Alfred R Jones]

I asked politely of the poster known on here as Brietta. I think it only common courtesy she respond in like manner after all it is not too difficult.
So talk to your self Alf.

I don't believe your request was polite actually.  I think it was the usual 'Alice' form of (not very) subtle piss taking. 

[jassi]

I don't believe your request was polite actually.  I think it was the usual 'Alice' form of (not very) subtle piss taking. 

I disagree. I think it was a perfectly reasonable request to define a positive outcome.

[Alfred R Jones]

I disagree. I think it was a perfectly reasonable request to define a positive outcome.

Of course you do.

[pegasus]

Madeleine McCann was within the boundaries of the property where strangers had no right of access and which should have been a safety zone for her. I'm not sure your reference to the gate does you any credit, but you are of course correct about the irrelevance of the whole discussion which has as usual been turned into yet another vehicle to denigrate Madeleine's parents.

So very, very tiresome.

The child was within a private property called 5A owned by a UK resident. The parents were inside a private property owned by OC - the tapas compound. The only way to get from one to the other was along a public road.  I measured the walking distance between parents and child was 90 metres

[Brietta]

The child was within a private property called 5A owned by a UK resident. The parents were inside a private property owned by OC - the tapas compound. The only way to get from one to the other was along a public road.  I measured the walking distance between parents and child was 90 metres

Yes it is evident where Madeleine was ... just as it is evident where her parents were.  Less than a minute away, and that is neither crowing or flying.

Why you feel the necessity to embroider the distance apart is a matter entirely for you to pursue. 

In my opinion it adds nothing at all to the circumstances in which Madeleine disappeared, which are not evident.

It serves only to minimise the culpability of the abductor who if Mark Williams-Thomas's theory is correct, or if my theory is correct ... is the person responsible for the crime.

If this person is ever discovered, do you think your argument should form part of his defence?

[pegasus]

Yes it is evident where Madeleine was ... just as it is evident where her parents were.  Less than a minute away, and that is neither crowing or flying.

Why you feel the necessity to embroider the distance apart is a matter entirely for you to pursue. 

In my opinion it adds nothing at all to the circumstances in which Madeleine disappeared, which are not evident.

It serves only to minimise the culpability of the abductor who if Mark Williams-Thomas's theory is correct, or if my theory is correct ... is the person responsible for the crime.

If this person is ever discovered, do you think your argument should form part of his defence?

It was obvious IMO from the start that they would never be charged for the leaving at home thing, because any judge would reject it, not because it was a responsible action, but because they suffered consequences a million times greater than any legal penalty already.

[ShiningInLuz]

Yes it is evident where Madeleine was ... just as it is evident where her parents were.  Less than a minute away, and that is neither crowing or flying.

Why you feel the necessity to embroider the distance apart is a matter entirely for you to pursue. 

In my opinion it adds nothing at all to the circumstances in which Madeleine disappeared, which are not evident.

It serves only to minimise the culpability of the abductor who if Mark Williams-Thomas's theory is correct, or if my theory is correct ... is the person responsible for the crime.

If this person is ever discovered, do you think your argument should form part of his defence?

The head start an abductor had may well be critical if it was abduction.

[pegasus]

We've heard many times that the balcony lounge door was 50 metres away as the crow flies and the top half of some of this door was visble from the restaurant table. But was anyone actually watching it? If they were watching it they would presumably have seen from the table the following events...
GM entering apartment.
GM leaving apartment.
MO entering apartment.
MO leaving apartment.
KM entering apartment.
KM leaving apartment.
Is there any mention in statements of anyone at the restaurant table seeing those events?

[Brietta]

It was obvious IMO from the start that they would never be charged for the leaving at home thing, because any judge would reject it, not because it was a responsible action, but because they suffered consequences a million times greater than any legal penalty already.

Quite, and it is something which has been latched onto by people who apparently have a mission in life to exacerbate an already intolerable situation.
I do not count you as one of them which makes me wonder at your insistence in 'disproving' an accepted distance and time taken to cover it, particularly as it means nothing either in contributory (parents) or culpability (abductor) terms.

[faithlilly]

The head start an abductor had may well be critical if it was abduction.

Indeed SiL. If the checks had been every 15 minutes, as we are told the nannies checks were, then the alleged abductor may even have been caught in the act.

[Brietta]

The head start an abductor had may well be critical if it was abduction.

Agreed.

It was perfectly possible that Madeleine might not have been missed till morning.  In the event she was missed around ten pm ... the prevalent police assumption that she woke and wandered and the affront caused by the parents' insistence that she had been taken had a lasting effect.

• 'woke and wandered' indeed allowed any abductor a head start
• resentment of the parents had a detrimental effect on the rest of the investigation

[pegasus]

Quite, and it is something which has been latched onto by people who apparently have a mission in life to exacerbate an already intolerable situation.
I do not count you as one of them which makes me wonder at your insistence in 'disproving' an accepted distance and time taken to cover it, particularly as it means nothing either in contributory (parents) or culpability (abductor) terms.

I'm annoyed at the legalese/PR rubbish that was advised Brietta - they would have been much better off without it IMO.
For example the back garden analogy of distance - I bet that was advised by so-called experts IMO, not made up by the parents themselves.

[slartibartfast]

I'm annoyed at the legalese/PR rubbish that was advised Brietta - they would have been much better off without it IMO.
For example the back garden analogy of distance - I bet that was advised by so-called experts IMO, not made up by the parents themselves.

Reputation management seemed most important.

[misty]

Reputation management seemed most important.

When Madeleine went missing, one of the first things a member of the PJ did was to announce on national TV that the parents & their friends were engaged in swinging...........