Sky News Madeleine Investigation - 15 Oct 2013

[TTSOFAFM]

What CCTV? In Portugal CCTV in the streets is illegal because of privacy laws.

What CCTV?  The one that Goncalo Amaral spouts about to the Daily Express

He walked a few steps and looked up at a CCTV camera and sighed loudly. The camera belongs to the Estrela da Luz resort hotel. “I believe that the person carrying a child in his arms was captured on film from that very camera,” he said.

“I asked my officers to gather all the CCTV footage in Luz but, by the time they got to this hotel, the film from this camera had been wiped over. It was a mistake and I will always regret it. I do feel Madeleine was let down.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

Yes the one that was wiped and it was a mistake and he felt Madeleine had been let down. Was she  let Down?  Most definitely.

[gilet]

What CCTV?  The one that Goncalo Amaral spouts about to the Daily Express

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

Yes the one that was wiped and it was a mistake and he felt Madeleine had been let down... Let Down?  Most definitely.

This CCTV to be precise which is just 210 metres from where the McCann apartment was shown in the programme under discussion.



And it was very clear on the video that the commentator was appalled that such video had not been immediately looked at by the PJ.

[gilet]

What CCTV?  The one that Goncalo Amaral spouts about to the Daily Express

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

Yes the one that was wiped and it was a mistake and he felt Madeleine had been let down... Let Down?  Most definitely.

How long does it take PJ to get to a building 210 metres away from a child disappearance to ask about CCTV? The camera is on a big high pole right by the gate of the hotel complex.

A kid of ten could spot it and know what it was never mind a seasoned cop.

[jassi]

This CCTV to be precise which is just 210 metres from where the McCann apartment was shown in the programme under discussion.



And it was very clear on the video that the commentator was appalled that such video had not been immediately looked at by the PJ.

Is there any indication where the cameras were pointing?

[Mr Gray]

This CCTV to be precise which is just 210 metres from where the McCann apartment was.



And it was very clear on the video that the commentator was appalled that such video had not been immediately looked at by the PJ.

So this is the investigation That amaral claimed was not going well for the McCanns . What we are learning... I think we already knew..is what a complete mess the pj made of the whole thing

[Mr Gray]

Is there any indication where the cameras were pointing?

its no good checking now...6 years too late

[Montclair]

The CCTV which was highlighted in the programme.

The CCTV which Amaral in 2010 was telling us about at the hotel complex the family who witnessed the potential abductor were staying at.

Are you really not aware of this?

The CCTV recording was wiped out and it was not supposed to be directed at the street.

[gilet]

Is there any indication where the cameras were pointing?

We might know the answer to that if the PJ had done a proper job and got the CCTV recordings which were just 210 metres away from the disappearance. As it is they only got round to bothering when it was much too late. And we have Amaral to thank for that information.

[jassi]

its no good checking now...6 years too late

At the time, obviously, not now.

[AnneGuedes]

Is there any explanation as to why the CCTV which was apparently available was not immediately looked at by Amaral's team?

Was that a damming mistake by the PJ or is there a good reason it was not done?

Are you trying to propagate a rumour with such an impertinent question ?

[Benita]

didn't catch this did I miss something ?

[gilet]

The CCTV recording was wiped out and it was not supposed to be directed at the street.

We know the recording was wiped. Amaral tells us that. He also tells us that his officers got there too late to retrieve what had been recorded but does not explain why it took so long to get the most obvious evidence when it was only 210 metres away.

Please provide some back-up for your claim that it was not supposed to be directed at the street. It is not possible to determine this simply by looking at the image. The camera is positioned high right by the entrance to the hotel complex from the street.  At the very, very least it may have presented us with a very accurate timing of the return to the complex by the family who gave witness statements.

[Mr Gray]

Criminals need far less luck when the police who are tasked with keeping people safe botch the job as Amaral and his team so obviously did.

If there had been a more effective police investigation then it is perfectly possible that this case might have been solved.

Accessing this CCTV for a start might have been a massive boost as would interviewing the eight people who were the most likely candidates for the Tanner sighting.

Neither task was accomplished by Amaral and crew though.

Yes, you are right. The abductor was lucky that the police were so incompetent. Perhaps he already knew of this and chose the area for his actions on that basis?

yes makes a lot of sense..if you are going to commit a crime choose a place with a crap police force

[gilet]

Are you trying to propagate a rumour with such an impertinent question ?

Not at all.

Read this post.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2657.msg89249#msg89249

Amaral is the one who told us about the utter failure of his officers to do this most simple of police tasks.

I am very disappointed that you and Montclair seem not to have been aware of this awful cock-up on the part of Amaral's team.

By the way are you trying to have a dig by calling my very reasonable question, impertinent? Why is it impertinent in your view to question something even Amaral admits was an atrocious failure on the part of his team?

[gilet]

didn't catch this did I miss something ?

Sky did a follow up programme this evening to the Crimewatch programme. One of the points they raised which is currently being discussed here was the failure of the PJ to retrieve the CCTV coverage at the holiday complex the witnesses who provided last night's e-fits were staying at.