The Smiths Sighting

[Mr Gray]

Kate's book  (  page 328 )

The police did not appear to feel that Jane's sighting in Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and the man and child reported by the Irish holidaymakers in Rua da Escola Primaria were related.  They seem to have concluded that thesewere in all likelihood two different men carrying two different children  ( if, they implied, these two men actually existed at all  ).  The only reason for their scepticism appeared to be an unexplained time lapse between the two sightings.  They didn't dovetail perfectly.  To me the similarities seem far more significant than any discrepancy in timing   

Kate wrote that   after  being shown the e fits the Smiths had given

So where in this quote is kate "insisting" they are the same person...you have shown yourself to be wrong

[Mr Gray]

with respect icad..if this is the standard of accuracy of your observations it is no wonder that your conclusions are wrong

[Victoria]

Kate's book  (  page 328 )

The police did not appear to feel that Jane's sighting in Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and the man and child reported by the Irish holidaymakers in Rua da Escola Primaria were related.  They seem to have concluded that thesewere in all likelihood two different men carrying two different children  ( if, they implied, these two men actually existed at all  ).  The only reason for their scepticism appeared to be an unexplained time lapse between the two sightings.  They didn't dovetail perfectly.  To me the similarities seem far more significant than any discrepancy in timing   

Kate wrote that   after  being shown the e fits the Smiths had given

I don't see any insistence. I see her asking why the PJ dismissed a connection out of hand. The truth is, the PJ thought Jane Tanner was making up her sighting. We now know they were wrong to do so as the Met have tracked down the man Jane saw.

[icabodcrane]

So where in this quote is kate "insisting" they are the same person...you have shown yourself to be wrong

Alright then  ...  the McCanns have always  believed  the man Jane saw and the man the Smiths saw were one and the same 

So why did they withhold a more detailed  e fit of the man they  'believed'  was the one Jane had seen abducting Madeleine ?

[Victoria]

Alright then  ...  the McCanns have always  believed  the man Jane saw and the man the Smiths saw were one and the same 

So why did they withhold a more detailed  e fit of the man they  'believed'  was the one Jane had seen abducting Madeleine ?

Your quote doesn't show that they 'always believed' either.

[icabodcrane]

Your quote doesn't show that they 'always believed' either.

Well what do you think Victoria  ?

Do you think the McCanns believed that the man the Smiths saw   was an entirely  different   man,  who had nothing to do with the man Jane had seen   ? 

Or that they thought that it  might   have been a different man  ?

All the more reason,  then,  for them to have released those e fits,  don't you think  ?

All the more reason for them to have  said to the public  "Please look at these e fits given by an Irish family who saw a child matching Madeleine's description being carried towards the beach after her disappearance"

That they did not do so is simply inexplicable

[Benice]

You implied that the rest of the Smith family were 100% sure it wasn't Gerry.
There is no proof of this.

If the rest of the family were less than 100% certain it was not GM they saw - then surely that would put them in the same position as Mr. Martin  - and he would have said  ''the rest of the family agree with me but to a lesser degree''.     But he didn't even hint that any of them even slightly agreed with him when he categorically stated that he and his wife were the only members of his family who thought the man they saw might be GM.   

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During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. 
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[jassi]

There seem to be a number of distraction attempts, by people seizing on a particular word or statement and trying to turn the argument away from the basic one of identification.
Standard practice , I suppose when a topic starts to get a bit hot.

[Wonderfulspam]

Quote from: Wonderfulspam on Today at 01:59:46 AM

You implied that the rest of the Smith family were 100% sure it wasn't Gerry.

If the rest of the family were less than 100% certain it was not GM they saw - then surely that would put them in the same position as Mr. Martin  - and he would have said  ''the rest of the family agree with me but to a lesser degree''.     But he didn't even hint that any of them even slightly agreed with him when he categorically stated that he and his wife were the only members of his family who thought the man they saw might be GM.   

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During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. 
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Oh I see, that explains everything.
You made that particular statistic up.

[Benice]

Quote from: Wonderfulspam on Today at 01:59:46 AM

You implied that the rest of the Smith family were 100% sure it wasn't Gerry.



Oh I see, that explains everything.
You made that particular statistic up.

I haven't made anything up.   It's simply a case of common sense.    If you want to believe that the rest of the Smith family agreed with Mr. Smith to some degree or another but decided not to tell him  - then that's your prerogative.

[jassi]

I haven't made anything up.   It's simply a case of common sense.    If you want to believe that the rest of the Smith family agreed with Mr. Smith to some degree or another but decided not to tell him  - then that's your prerogative.

I don't see the point of trying to enhance the split in opinion between members of the Smith family.
Mr Smith did the e-fit, the others didn't, therefore I conclude that either they couldn't/didn't wish to, or, the private detectives didn't think it necessary and didn't ask them.

[Wonderfulspam]

Martin Smith may have been 60%-80% sure (which isn't really THAT sure is it?) that it might have been Gerry,but other members of the family were 100% sure that it wasn't Gerry.   So on the balance of percentages who is more likely to be right?  Not Martin Smith IMO.

You lied.

[Benice]

I don't see the point of trying to enhance the split in opinion between members of the Smith family.Mr Smith did the e-fit, the others didn't, therefore I conclude that either they couldn't/didn't wish to, or, the private detectives didn't think it necessary and didn't ask them.

There is no enhancement.   The point from my POV is that so much emphasis is put on what Mr Smith thought - and the rest of the family who did NOT agree with him are not even taken into account.

I've seen posts where it is claimed that Mr. Smith thought the man was Gerry.  That means that some people think a 60%-80% possibility is the same as 100% definite fact.    Now that is 'enhancement.'

[jassi]

There is no enhancement.   The point from my POV is that so much emphasis is put on what Mr Smith thought - and the rest of the family who did NOT agree with him are not even taken into account.

I've seen posts where it is claimed that Mr. Smith thought the man was Gerry.  That means that some people think a 60%-80% possibility is the same as 100% definite fact.    Now that is 'enhancement.'

Well of course there is - he is the one who produced the e-fit, so that is all there is to go on.
If the detective had thought it important, I'm sure they could have asked other family  members to produce their own interpretations.

[xtina]

suprised at  this

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/345388/Ex-Portuguese-detective-attemps-to-smear-Maddie-McCann-s-father-again