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Offline Benice

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #210 on: November 29, 2013, 12:25:49 AM »
They shouldn't be collecting DNA for the case. That is the police job. That DNA should be cross-checked with 5A DNA to make sure it's a perfect match for Madeleine. Any DNA evidence is crucial to the case to know what may have happened to Madeleine.

Well obviously they didn't personally collect DNA.  The provided items which the forensic bods could analyse and compare with DNA found in  5A.   It was an exercise to simplify procedures as far as I know.

Still from memory - so I could be wrong  - but I believe a policeman went with him to collect the articles from Rothley?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #211 on: November 29, 2013, 01:58:12 PM »
"The raw telecom data provided to OP TASK (Leicester) shows that the mobile phone attributed to Jane TANNER (0780854191) was in contact with mobile number 07949731844 at 20:30:21 hrs on 3rd May 2007 and again at 09:04:46 hrs on 4th May 2007. Each contact was an 'SMS'. Enquiries are underway to subscribe the '1884’ number."

Did any name turn up for this number? 07949731844


05 May 2007 44778***188 778***188 Gerry McCann 774***837 David Payne 9:45:12   
05 May 2007 44778***188 771***795 Russell O'Brien 778***188 Gerry McCann 19:45:27 MTSMS
07 May 2007 44778***188 778***188 Gerry McCann 771***795 Russell O'Brien 22:34:08 MOSMS
09 May 2007 44778***188 771***795 Russell O'Brien 778***188 Gerry McCann 11:43:48   
12 May 2007 44778***188 778***188 Gerry McCann 774***837 David Payne 10:21:25   
13 May 2007 44778***188 771***795 Russell O'Brien 778***188 Gerry McCann 09:14:02   
13 May 2007 44778***188 771***795 Russell O'Brien 778***188 Gerry McCann 13:45:48   
13 May 2007 44778***188 771***795 Russell O'Brien 778***188 Gerry McCann 18:36:44   
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #212 on: November 29, 2013, 03:23:49 PM »
@pathfinder: JT already answered your question
 

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #213 on: November 29, 2013, 03:43:57 PM »
Thanks where can I find it? She didn't pass JW on the same side of the road. That is a big discrepancy. It would've made more sense if she seen a possible abductor at 9.35 when she left the tapas a second time after MO had come back from his 9.30 check and before Kate raised the alarm.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #214 on: November 29, 2013, 04:06:10 PM »
The phone questions for 7 group adults were asked and answered in the LP interviews 2008 and those two sms simply concern a bbq

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #215 on: November 29, 2013, 04:14:52 PM »
Thanks  8((()*/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #216 on: November 30, 2013, 03:29:32 PM »
The key to Luís Antonio's store room was found at Murat's house? Where is the location of this store room?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #217 on: December 02, 2013, 02:13:36 PM »
Asked how she reacted when she was asked if Maddy had been killed by falling from the sofa he replies: "She didn't say anything, she just lowered her head for a moment as if she was on the point of fainting. She had an emotional crack that lasted for just a moment." (GA)

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gerry-buried-maddies-body-beach-daily-telegraph-spikes-story


« Last Edit: December 02, 2013, 02:37:38 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #218 on: December 03, 2013, 06:05:03 PM »
4 MAY Statements

Gerry

"Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual."

"At 10pm, his wife Kate went to check on the children. She went into the apartment through the door using her key and saw right away that the children’s bedroom door was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains drawn open. The side door that opens into the living room, which as said earlier, was never locked, was closed."

"After thoroughly searching the apartment, his wife, quite scared and upset, went to the restaurant to alert the deponent and the others about the disappearance. Immediately, the group headed for the club and searched across all the facilities, swimming pool, tennis etc., as well as in the apartment, with the help of Ocean Club employees, while at the same time they contacted the authorities, that would later appear." (GM)

Kate

"Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband told her that the children were well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, who also had two children.

The witness notes that at the same time, one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children, too, nevertheless he did not go to the room where the witness was staying.

At around 9.30pm, at the time when the witness should have gone to see her children, her friend Matt (a member of the group), who was coming to check, as well, went to the apartment where his children were staying and on his way went to the witness’s apartment. He entered the apartment through a glass sliding door at the side that was always unlocked and once inside, he had not gone into the children's bedroom. He remained at the bedroom door, listening for noise and observing the beds. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, and already quite scared and unnerved, she returned to the restaurant, and alerted her husband and the rest of the group to the disappearance. The group immediately headed to the club, and set about searching in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc... as well as in the apartment with the help of employees. At the same time, they contacted the authorities, which would later arrive." (KM)





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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #219 on: December 06, 2013, 10:59:30 PM »
Was there any update on this story or any substance to it?

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Now hunt centres on disused barn (2 DEC 07)

The hunt for Madeleine McCann last night centred on a disused barn near Praia da Luz where police found a towel stained with what may turn out to be the little girl's blood.

Fibres found on the towel allegedly match fibres from the hire car rented by Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

Portuguese detectives discussed the breakthrough when they met British police and a Crown Prosecution Service official last week at a police station in Leicester.

Today for the first time the Sunday Express can shed light on the new avenue plicie are pursuing in the hope of a breakthrough in the baffling case.

Based on fresh information from mobile phone surveillance police began a search of an area in the south east of the resort. They came across a towel, with an Aztec design, near a disused barn in a remote area close to Praia da Luz.

Portuguese sources say forensic scientists used a substance called Luminol to look for blood deposits and found three sites on the edges of the towel. They tested the blood deposits to see if there was a match for Madeleine's DNA.

Although the samples were not good quality the scientists were able to do what is called low copy analysis, which showed there was "moderate" support to suggest the blood deposits matched Madeleine's blood.

The results were not conclusive are not regarded as being strong enough to be presented as evidence in any court case.

They also found a loaf and a carrier bag, which produced no significant information, but close analysis of the towel revealed fibres which were not made of the towel material. The fibre fragments were microscopically examined against fibres found in the boot of the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns 25 days after Maddie vanished.

Portuguese police said there was "strong support" that the fibres found on the towel matched fibres from the boot of the car.

One possibility being considered by the Portuguese detectives was that the towel had at some point been in the boot of the Renault Scenic, which would explain how fibres had got on it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Redblossom

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #220 on: December 06, 2013, 11:15:53 PM »
about as reliable as this express report, suggesting eddie and keela showed interest 30 miles from pdl
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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/9dec7/EXPRESS-16-12-07.htm


the papers printed a lot of crap that year, and the year after and the year after that, ad infinitum........from what i have read some of these journos used a single fact of truth but built a whole heap of dung around it


eta

Now hunt centres on disused barn (2 DEC 07)

The hunt for Madeleine McCann last night centred on a disused barn near Praia da Luz where police found a towel stained with what may turn out to be the little girl's blood.


this " last night"  refers to middle of june 2007 when that aztec towel/blanket/rug was found in odiaxere, remember? after the tip off to that Dutch newspaper...


Oh well, all soooo quiet on the western front tonight!

I wonder why

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Bid you nice evening
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #221 on: December 06, 2013, 11:46:31 PM »
Sorry I asked  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Redblossom

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #222 on: December 06, 2013, 11:50:47 PM »
Sorry I asked  @)(++(*

no, not at all,thats OK, sorry if I seemed abrupt, thousands of people must have asked and shaked their heads in disbelief for years! For what the ridiculous and odious media spin machine were attempting to spoon feed the great unwashed as the public is sometimes called  on a daily basis lol

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laters......i hadnt realised the time, gnight
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #223 on: December 06, 2013, 11:56:13 PM »
Thanks for the link got to all the press reports now - will watch out for the Express ones lol. Goodnight  8((()*/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #224 on: December 10, 2013, 02:52:40 PM »
This is interesting to see the landscape at the monument and the cliffs.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.