Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[Wonderfulspam]

Brian Healy Lying To The Guardian About What Gerry Said:


"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31

[Mr Gray]

Brian Healy Lying To The Guardian About What Gerry Said:


"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31

 You are absolutely right...he was lying...he calls the apartment a chalet...so Gerry MUST have used the word chalet...Gerry lies again....call SY immediately

[Benice]

You seem to be saying that the McCanns didn't use the word jemmied based on the fact that that was what was reported????

I don't know who first used the word jemmied.   No doubt phone calls were flying between other members of the family that night trying to work out what happened  (remember they werent there at the time) and maybe it was first used then and subsequently repeated.    Who can say.     But the idea that deliberate lying was involved is just plain daft IMO.    Why would anyone lie about something which they knew was going to be immediately disproved once the shutters/window were examined by the PJ?  That makes no sense.

IMO this is just another example of judgements being made with the benefit of hindsight, which is always grossly unfair as none of the people involved had that same benefit at the time.     We all know that subsequently no forensic evidence of damage or entry was found - but the McCann family and friends did not know that was going to be the case when they were saying what they thought must have happened.

Also  - as far as I'm concerned (and always have been) no newspaper report can be relied on to be one hundred percent the unvarnished, unembellished truth - especially in this case.     Sales figures come first.

   

 

[Benice]

You are absolutely right...he was lying...he calls the apartment a chalet...so Gerry MUST have used the word chalet...Gerry lies again....call SY immediately

Exactly.    Says it all really - in a nutshell.

[Victoria]

Exactly.    Says it all really - in a nutshell.

Yes, wonderfully ironic. Wonderfulspam has just managed to prove how daft his arguments are.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes, wonderfully ironic. Wonderfulspam has just managed to prove how daft his arguments are.

I'd never argued about anything. not to the police, not to anyone but it was one of those tricky situations where I just didn't have a choice.

[Mr Gray]

Yes, wonderfully ironic. Wonderfulspam has just managed to prove how daft his arguments are.

not only his argument but many other posters as well

[Redblossom]

I don't know who first used the word jemmied.   No doubt phone calls were flying between other members of the family that night trying to work out what happened  (remember they werent there at the time) and maybe it was first used then and subsequently repeated.    Who can say.     But the idea that deliberate lying was involved is just plain daft IMO.    Why would anyone lie about something which they knew was going to be immediately disproved once the shutters/window were examined by the PJ?  That makes no sense.

IMO this is just another example of judgements being made with the benefit of hindsight, which is always grossly unfair as none of the people involved had that same benefit at the time.     We all know that subsequently no forensic evidence of damage or entry was found - but the McCann family and friends did not know that was going to be the case when they were saying what they thought must have happened.

Also  - as far as I'm concerned (and always have been) no newspaper report can be relied on to be one hundred percent the unvarnished, unembellished truth - especially in this case.     Sales figures come first.

   

 

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

Pls read transcript under video Frantic Search for Toddler 4 May 2007 BBC, especially the second paragraph...verbatim ...Trish was the first person Gerry called that night, which kind of negates yours and others assumptions here and/or statements made as if facts IMO.....it also clearly suggests she was not familiar with the word.....that it was said to her.....tbh Im not sure why such a big deal has been made of it....why the abhorence at the suggestion the word was used

 >@@(*&)

Oh and Davel youwill of course provide back up for your assertion that Gerry did NOT use that word.....not that I am that bothered in this instance, just in the interests of forum etiquette and rules you see.....

[Mr Gray]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

Pls read transcript under video Frantic Search for Toddler 4 May 2007 BBC, especially the second paragraph...verbatim ...Trish was the first person Gerry called that night, which kind of negates yours and others assumptions here and/or statements made as if facts IMO.....it also clearly suggests she was not familiar with the word.....that it was said to her.....tbh Im not sure why such a big deal has been made of it....why the abhorence at the suggestion the word was used

 >@@(*&)

Oh and Davel youwill of course provide back up for your assertion that Gerry did NOT use that word.....not that I am that bothered in this instance, just in the interests of forum etiquette and rules you see.....

It appears Gerry said the shutters in the chalet had been shattered.....but it was a very bad line

 

[Redblossom]

It appears Gerry said the shutters in the chalet had been shattered.....but it was a very bad line

 

Boring swerve.....and avoidance of the facts I posted, oh well LOL.

[stephen25000]

Of course it was a normal,natural reaction...no lying involved

How do you know she was telling the truth ?

Were you there ?

[Mr Gray]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

Pls read transcript under video Frantic Search for Toddler 4 May 2007 BBC, especially the second paragraph...verbatim ...Trish was the first person Gerry called that night, which kind of negates yours and others assumptions here and/or statements made as if facts IMO.....it also clearly suggests she was not familiar with the word.....that it was said to her.....tbh Im not sure why such a big deal has been made of it....why the abhorence at the suggestion the word was used

 >@@(*&)

Oh and Davel youwill of course provide back up for your assertion that Gerry did NOT use that word.....not that I am that bothered in this instance, just in the interests of forum etiquette and rules you see.....


For someone who scant respect for forum etiquette.....crying(look up several meanings)forum etiquette when it suits doesn't wash....could you possibly put me on ignore like you promised

[Lace]

IMO there is no way intelligent people would say the shutters had been broken if they weren't.

Can you imagine it?    'Gerry we could say the shutters were broken'   'but they are not broken Kate and they will look at them and see straight away that they are not broken'    'oh yeah your right'.
 
Kate found the shutters open,   first reaction -  someone had broken in.

Gerry tested them,  he could raise them.     Phone call home - someone must have forced them up.

If they had wanted to fake a break in,  then 'break' the shutters !!!

[stephen25000]

IMO there is no way intelligent people would say the shutters had been broken if they weren't.

Can you imagine it?    'Gerry we could say the shutters were broken'   'but they are not broken Kate and they will look at them and see straight away that they are not broken'    'oh yeah your right'.
 
Kate found the shutters open,   first reaction -  someone had broken in.

Gerry tested them,  he could raise them.     Phone call home - someone must have forced them up.

If they had wanted to fake a break in,  then 'break' the shutters !!!

Then why would intelligent people place 3 small children at risk, by leaving them unguarded in an unlocked residence, whilst they went out to eat and drink, on several successive nights ?

let's face it, they would have carried on doing the same, if Madeleine hadn't disappeared.

[Benice]

IMO there is no way intelligent people would say the shutters had been broken if they weren't.

Can you imagine it?    'Gerry we could say the shutters were broken'   'but they are not broken Kate and they will look at them and see straight away that they are not broken'    'oh yeah your right'.
 
Kate found the shutters open,   first reaction -  someone had broken in.

Gerry tested them,  he could raise them.     Phone call home - someone must have forced them up.

If they had wanted to fake a break in,  then 'break' the shutters !!!

Precisely.   It's obvious that they both (quite understandably) first assumed the shutters must have been physically forced open by someone - and that's what they told their families.        What does it matter whether the words 'forced' and 'jemmied' were used at different times along the way  - they both mean the same in the context of a presumed break-in.    Mega nitpicking IMO.

And I totally agree Lace, Kate and Gerry would have to be simpletons if they planned to lie and claim the shutters were broken but did NOT have the brains to make sure some damage was done to them first.   The whole idea is too barmy for words IMO.