Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[Mr Gray]

Then why would intelligent people place 3 small children at risk, by leaving them unguarded in an unlocked residence, whilst they went out to eat and drink, on several successive nights ?

let's face it, they would have carried on doing the same, if Madeleine hadn't disappeared.

 We don't care what you think of the McCannns childcare arrangements...there you are...two questions answered with one statement

[Redblossom]

Your refusal to back up your assertions doesnt wash.....avoidance tactics never ever do....

[stephen25000]

We don't care what you think of the McCannns childcare arrangements...there you are...two questions answered with one statement

WHAT CHILDCARE  ?

[Lace]

What would you suggest they break the shutters with? I wouldn't imagine he packed his toolbox with him. Perhaps you're suggesting he might have used a spoon or other kitchen utensil found inside the apartment to "jemmie" open these heavy shutters? Ooh no, I know a travel iron 

Exactly !!    he wouldn't have had anything to break the shutters with,  so why do people keep saying that the McCann's said the shutters were broken?     Utterly stupid.

[Lace]

Then why would intelligent people place 3 small children at risk, by leaving them unguarded in an unlocked residence, whilst they went out to eat and drink, on several successive nights ?

let's face it, they would have carried on doing the same, if Madeleine hadn't disappeared.

Hello,   thought we were talking about the shutters,  not the childcare arrangements,  are you deviating from the topic Stephen?

[Mr Gray]

Your refusal to back up your assertions doesnt wash.....avoidance tactics never ever do....

Avoidance tactics ....  no...if I have to back up my assertions as per forum etiquette...then all those who have been saying that k and g used the word jemmied (not gemmied) have to back up their assertions...all rather stupid

[Mr Gray]

Hello,   thought we were talking about the shutters,  not the childcare arrangements,  are you deviating from the topic Stephen?

 yes deviation....off topic ...all posts to be deleted

[stephen25000]

yes deviation....off topic ...all posts to be deleted

I.e. You don't like or want the truth to be heard.

There is no doubt that the word 'jemmied' was used, and it has a clear meaning.

I even saw the word used by a representative of a window company referring to someone who had been burgled and how to avoid it. No irony there of course.

[Mr Gray]

I.e. You don't like or want the truth to be heard.

There is no doubt that the word 'jemmied' was used, and it has a clear meaning.

I even saw the word used by a representative of a window company referring to someone who had been burgled and how to avoid it. No irony there of course.

No...I had about 8 posts removed last night...quite innocuous but off topic....my warning level increased by 10%...therefore if its off topic I wont reply

[sadie]

It really doesn't seem she left her bed at all, unless someone tidied it up after but why ?

Are you insinuating something there, Anne?

What?

[Victoria]

Are you insinuating something there, Anne?

What?

God knows, but based on the photos, the bed has clearly been occupied.

[Wonderfulspam]

God knows, but based on the photos, the bed has clearly been occupied.

Well yes of course, Gerry said she slept on top of the covers didn't he.

[sadie]

I cant understand all this fuss about the word "jemmied"

We went over it thoroughly in another thread and what happens with Chinese Whispers etc.  Between Gerrys calls, the peeps back home would be ringing each other like crazy and the shutters left closed, but found open by another hand,  would soon become forced open shutters ... inevitable. 
Indeed Gerry, in the panic of the moment, may well have thought that they were forced open ... and maybe they had been.  We dont actually know.


What PT posters obviously do not understand is the type of shutters that we occasionally have in the UK.  In private homes we rarely have any shutters. But any that are around are wooden shutters which do NOT roll up.  They are hinged at the sides and can be locked against intruders.

For an intruder to get thru these shutters he would have to "jemmy" them, or break them someway.

So given the fact that "Jemmying" is the most likely scenario for a British mind ... and given the nature of Chinese Whispers, with things getting slightly changed with each person relating, no wonder it became "Jemmied". 

The change could have happened immediately in Gerrys sisters mind.  Normal stuff, nothing exceptional about it.



Altogether too much emphasis is being put on this simple word by a THIRD party, without considering the probable reason for the change.

IMO, of course ! 

[Mr Gray]

I.e. You don't like or want the truth to be heard.

There is no doubt that the word 'jemmied' was used, and it has a clear meaning.

I even saw the word used by a representative of a window company referring to someone who had been burgled and how to avoid it. No irony there of course.

of course it was used but who was the first to use it...was it someone in the chalet

[sadie]

of course it was used but who was the first to use it...was it someone in the chalet

Davel.  The whole discussion is so unimportant that it is not worth your valuable time.

It is pretty obvious how the word "Jemmied" came up [see post at 06:12:12 PM today)
 ... and maybe it also did with someone in the chalet ? 

But it aint of importance.  Just thoughtless nit picking, for the sake of nit picking..