Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[sadie]

What are you insinuating yourself ?

It was a strange expression .

I merely asked you if you were insinuating something.  For you to answer ... not me.

[Mr Gray]

Early doubts arose when it became clear that the parents had apparently neglected to take proper care of their children's safety and that early stories of jemmied shutters and broken doors reported by friends and family were untrue. No need for propoganda and lies, they admitted that they left the children alone each evening that week and that the shutters weren't jemmied and no doors were broken.

Amaral's opinion of the dog alerts didn't enter into it at that stage.

But Drs McCann never used the words jemmied, broken....another myth

[Anna]

But Drs McCann never used the words jemmied, broken....another myth

In some parts of Scotland the word "Jemmied", is used to mean, forced.
However in most cases of forced entry, a Jemmy would have been used. A bit like saying that  hammer or hammered, does not always involve the use of a hammer.
I believe it was a friend or family member of Gerry's who supposedly, used this expression.

[Angelo222]

But Drs McCann never used the words jemmied, broken....another myth

Are you seriously expecting people to believe that Gerry's sister made it all up because that one just doesn't hold water.  She went on national tv and claimed they had been jemmied but was never corrected by Maddie's parents which just goes to show that that was what she was led to believe the night the kid disappeared.

Another case of closing the stable door after the horse had bolted!

[Mr Gray]

Are you seriously expecting people to believe that Gerry's sister made it all up because that one just won't cut it. She went on national tv and claimed they had been jemmied but was never corrected by Maddie's parents which just goes to prove that that was what she was led to believe the night the kid disappeared.

She made nothing up..... She embroidered what she had been told....people do it all the time
I'm convinced the mccanns never used the word jemmied and there is no hard evidence they did

[Angelo222]

She made nothing up..... She embroidered what she had been told....people do it all the time
I'm convinced the mccanns never used the word jemmied and there is no hard evidence they did

Nor is there any they didn't.  Seems we're back to square one again.. 

[Anna]

Jemmied :-    Example of how it can be used in Scotland.- Meaning-forced or prised.

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"I've been off on the sick for two months now – yep, as of tomorrow it's a full sixth of a calendar since my skull was jemmied open and the lurking horror removed – and people keep asking me how I fill my days."
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Now then…Is it likely that a Jemmy/crowbar, was used in this surgery?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/bloggers/jan-31-2012-ticking-away-the-moments-that-make-up-a-dull-day.2012027949

Can Jim be jemmied out of Westminster?
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Surely they are not referring to the use of a Jemmy?



http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/99038876/can-jim-be-jemmied-out-westminster

[Mr Gray]

Nor is there any they didn't.  Seems we're back to square one again.. 

This issue has never been resolved because there is no hard evidence it was said

[Angelo222]

This issue has never been resolved because there is no hard evidence it was said

The hard evidence is that it was inferred and has never been denied by them.  His sister had to be told that in the first place, she didn't hear it on Sky News.  Gerry probably told her the shutter had been forced up and hey presto, jemmied becomes Donegal Glaswegian speak for forced.

[Brietta]

The hard evidence is that it was inferred and has never been denied by them.  His sister had to be told that in the first place, she didn't hear it on Sky News.  Gerry probably told her the shutter had been forced up and hey presto, jemmied becomes Donegal Glaswegian speak for forced.

 ... and it is Angelo as ably demonstrated by Anna's fine examples.  From discussion on this matter on another thread it appears that 'jemmied' is also used in other parts of the country with exactly the same meanings.
Those Weegies get everywhere.

[G-Unit]

In some parts of Scotland the word "Jemmied", is used to mean, forced.
However in most cases of forced entry, a Jemmy would have been used. A bit like saying that  hammer or hammered, does not always involve the use of a hammer.
I believe it was a friend or family member of Gerry's who supposedly, used this expression.

It was two relatives and two friends, all of whom were telephoned by one of the McCanns and told the same story. I can think of no reason why four people would tell the same story if they invented it.

Trish Cameron told the Mirror what her brother said when he phoned her;

The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."

Jon Corner spoke to Kate;

"Kate said the shutters of the room were smashed. Madeleine was missing

Jill Renwick told GMTV what Kate told her;

 "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn. She's obviously been taken as she couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters had been forced open."

"The shutters had been broken open and they've gone into the room and taken her."

Brian Healy was told the same story by Gerald;

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

A crowbar, wrecking bar, pry bar, or prybar, pinch-bar or sometimes a prise bar, prisebar, and more informally a jimmy, jimmy bar, jemmy or PikiPiki [1] or gooseneck is a tool consisting of a metal bar with a single curved end and flattened points, often with a small fissure on one or both ends for removing nails. In Britain, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia, due to the influence of American TV "crowbar" may occasionally be used loosely for this tool, but it is still mainly used to mean a larger straighter tool, its original English meaning (see digging bar). The term jemmy or jimmy most often refers to the tool when used for burglary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_(tool)

[Mr Gray]

The hard evidence is that it was inferred and has never been denied by them.  His sister had to be told that in the first place, she didn't hear it on Sky News.  Gerry probably told her the shutter had been forced up and hey presto, jemmied becomes Donegal Glaswegian speak for forced.

there is enough misunderstanding of words on here to prove how a persons statement can be misrepresented...I agree Gerry almost certainly said forced up...which it was...that does not imply it was smashed or broken

[Mr Gray]

It was two relatives and two friends, all of whom were telephoned by one of the McCanns and told the same story. I can think of no reason why four people would tell the same story if they invented it.

Trish Cameron told the Mirror what her brother said when he phoned her;

The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."

Jon Corner spoke to Kate;

"Kate said the shutters of the room were smashed. Madeleine was missing

Jill Renwick told GMTV what Kate told her;

 "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn. She's obviously been taken as she couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters had been forced open."

"The shutters had been broken open and they've gone into the room and taken her."

Brian Healy was told the same story by Gerald;

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

A crowbar, wrecking bar, pry bar, or prybar, pinch-bar or sometimes a prise bar, prisebar, and more informally a jimmy, jimmy bar, jemmy or PikiPiki [1] or gooseneck is a tool consisting of a metal bar with a single curved end and flattened points, often with a small fissure on one or both ends for removing nails. In Britain, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia, due to the influence of American TV "crowbar" may occasionally be used loosely for this tool, but it is still mainly used to mean a larger straighter tool, its original English meaning (see digging bar). The term jemmy or jimmy most often refers to the tool when used for burglary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_(tool)

the four people would no doubt have discussed the issue with each other.......there is no hard evidence that the mccanns changed their story re the shutter...Gerry used the word forced and the story changed as it was repeated.....simple.  another piece of so called evidence that some use to doubt the McCanns is worthless

[G-Unit]

there is enough misunderstanding of words on here to prove how a persons statement can be misrepresented...I agree Gerry almost certainly said forced up...which it was...that does not imply it was smashed or broken

[Angelo222]

... and it is Angelo as ably demonstrated by Anna's fine examples.  From discussion on this matter on another thread it appears that 'jemmied' is also used in other parts of the country with exactly the same meanings.
Those Weegies get everywhere.

Liverpool being one such place.