Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[G-Unit]

I think it's highly plausible that Gerry would have asked his father-in-law to contact nearest and dearest in England to let them know what had happened -  why is that not very likely in your book?

Because I know that Gerald told his sister himself. I also know that Kate phoned her friends with the story because they said so. Read the directly quoted statements they all made.

[Alfred R Jones]

Because I know that Gerald told his sister himself. I also know that Kate phoned her friends with the story because they said so. Read the directly quoted statements they all made.

So you'd completely rule out the possibility of any of them talking to each other before giving an interview to the press then?

[Mr Gray]

Because I know that Gerald told his sister himself. I also know that Kate phoned her friends with the story because they said so. Read the directly quoted statements they all made.

my post and your post...

As I don't believe that and have never said it then I am not mistaken..it is a sign of your poor understanding of what I post that you should say that.

What I actually said was that amaral has fuelled the hatred towards the McCanns with his lies...and I don't think anyone could deny that...the evidence is very clear




OK, so people were already questioning the McCann's story. You are saying this was intensified once Amaral's opinions became known. When did his opinions become known and what measure have you used to determine the intensification of questioning at that time?


so I use fuelled...and you change it to intensify......you have changed the word I used...proof that a report of what someone said is not an accurate quote of what they said

[Mr Gray]

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy.

During the night of 3rd to 4th May would Kate's father have a) kept the phone line free in case his family rang to say his granddaughter had been found or b) phoned his son-in-law's sister and his daughter's friends to compare stories? Let me see.... &%+((£

I would say they would have definitely phoned other family members....most people have an alert on their phone when someone else is trying to get through so no chance of missing a  call...


there is absolutely no hard evidence that Drs McCann used the word jemmied ...smashed or broken...just an assumption on yours and others behalf

[G-Unit]

So you'd completely rule out the possibility of any of them talking to each other before giving an interview to the press then?

Why are you so determined to deny that the friends and family repeated what they were told by Gerry or Kate McCann?

[Mr Gray]

Why are you so determined to deny that the friends and family repeated what they were told by Gerry or Kate McCann?

Because your claim that they used the exact words is ridiculous....as I have pointed out you yourself have repeated what I have said but have used different words... It's called paraphrasing and results in Chinese whispers

[Alfred R Jones]

Why are you so determined to deny that the friends and family repeated what they were told by Gerry or Kate McCann?

LOL, I'm not determined to do anything, I asked a simple question that's all, no need to fly off the handle.  Frankly if Gerry used the word jemmy it bothers me not a jot, it has zero significance as far as I and any normal, balanced person is concerned. 

[G-Unit]

Because your claim that they used the exact words is ridiculous....as I have pointed out you yourself have repeated what I have said but have used different words... It's called paraphrasing and results in Chinese whispers

Jemmied is a word that I understand and am familiar with, unlike some on here. Both people Gerald Mccann spoke to used that word. The people who spoke to Kate McCann used the words broken, forced and smashed.

As none of them were in Portugal someone told them what had happened. We know from the phone records that the McCanns rang these people individually. No chinese whispers, direct reports of what they were told and who told them.

[Alfred R Jones]

Jemmied is a word that I understand and am familiar with, unlike some on here. Both people Gerald Mccann spoke to used that word. The people who spoke to Kate McCann used the words broken, forced and smashed.

As none of them were in Portugal someone told them what had happened. We know from the phone records that the McCanns rang these people individually. No chinese whispers, direct reports of what they were told and who told them.

And from the use of the word "jemmy' we can conclude...?

[G-Unit]

my post and your post...

As I don't believe that and have never said it then I am not mistaken..it is a sign of your poor understanding of what I post that you should say that.

What I actually said was that amaral has fuelled the hatred towards the McCanns with his lies...and I don't think anyone could deny that...the evidence is very clear




OK, so people were already questioning the McCann's story. You are saying this was intensified once Amaral's opinions became known. When did his opinions become known and what measure have you used to determine the intensification of questioning at that time?


so I use fuelled...and you change it to intensify......you have changed the word I used...proof that a report of what someone said is not an accurate quote of what they said

Criticism of the McCanns happened before Amaral's views were known, so how can you demonstrate that his views fuelled the criticism? The effect existed before the cause, unless there was an increase in criticism following the release of Amaral's viewpoint. If it continued at the same level then it can't be said to have been affected by him at all.

[Alfred R Jones]

Criticism of the McCanns happened before Amaral's views were known, so how can you demonstrate that his views fuelled the criticism? The effect existed before the cause, unless there was an increase in criticism following the release of Amaral's viewpoint. If it continued at the same level then it can't be said to have been affected by him at all.

You seem to have missed the point of Davel's post.  You wrote your own interpretation of what he said by selecting your own word "intensified" instead of his "fuelled" beautifully illustrating Davel's point that words can be altered in the re-telling of an anecdote or account.

[sadie]

Jemmied is a word that I understand and am familiar with, unlike some on here. Both people Gerald Mccann spoke to used that word. The people who spoke to Kate McCann used the words broken, forced and smashed.

As none of them were in Portugal someone told them what had happened. We know from the phone records that the McCanns rang these people individually. No chinese whispers, direct reports of what they were told and who told them.

Chinese whispers amongst themselves over in the UK.

You can bet they discussed it for hours in the UK during the night, and as so often happens the tale became changed in the telling.

You are making far too much of it anyway

[G-Unit]

You seem to have missed the point of Davel's post.  You wrote your own interpretation of what he said by selecting your own word "intensified" instead of his "fuelled" beautifully illustrating Davel's point that words can be altered in the re-telling of an anecdote or account.

Davel made an accusation for which he has no evidence..

[G-Unit]

Chinese whispers amongst themselves over in the UK.

You can bet they discussed it for hours in the UK during the night, and as so often happens the tale became changed in the telling.

You are making far too much of it anyway

I have reported the facts. You and others don't want to accept them. Your explanations are based on your own opinions, not on anything which can be checked and confirmed. Four people reported being told the same story during telephone calls from the McCanns. If it's not important why is everyone so keen to cast doubt on it I wonder?

[Mr Gray]

Davel made an accusation for which he has no evidence..

it is much harder in this case to prove something didn't happen because if it didn't happen ...it won't have left any evidence. it makes no sense for Drs McCann...having planned the perfect crime...to lie about something that was so easily verified....the Chinese whisper scenario...which you yourself have proved can happen is the much more logical explanation
There is no direct evidence that either of the Doctors used the word jemmied...just an assumption