Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[Brietta]

Now where have i heard that before.

What makes you think after all this time she will be found alive ?

What supporting evidence is there ?

Pipe dreams again ?

May I say ... I much prefer my dream to yours and my supporting evidence that Madeleine may be alive is that there is not a shred of evidence or proof she is not.

[stephen25000]

May I say ... I much prefer my dream to yours and my supporting evidence that Madeleine may be alive is that there is not a shred of evidence or proof she is not.

I don't have dreams about it, unlike you it seems, as it appears to perenially occupy your thoughts.

So what supporting evidence that she is alive ?

Is that because there is no 'evidence' she is dead ?

That works both ways.

[Brietta]

I don't have dreams about it, unlike you it seems, as it appears to perenially occupy your thoughts.

So what supporting evidence that she is alive ?

Is that because there is no 'evidence' she is dead ?

That works both ways.

Lordy, Lordy Stephen  ... if that isn't a case of pot and kettle I don't know what is.

I'll go with a 50/50 there only because it is logical ... but it doesn't stop me being greedy and wanting 100%.

[Angelo222]

I'm sure the mccanns never referred to the apartmnet as a chalet or a club therefore that is clear evidence they have been misquoted.....which supports the idea that they were misquoted re the forced shutters......which is supporting evidence

Forced, levered, jemmied, what does it matter?  The truth is the McCanns didn't understand how the shutters worked so anything they said was going to be factually incorrect in any event.

I know one thing for sure though and that is Gerry got one big surprise when he tried to lift the shutter from the outside.

[stephen25000]

Lordy, Lordy Stephen  ... if that isn't a case of pot and kettle I don't know what is.

I'll go with a 50/50 there only because it is logical ... but it doesn't stop me being greedy and wanting 100%.

50:50 ?

On what do you base that in terms of the last 8 years and no trace of her ?

You said evidence that she is alive .....

[Brietta]

Forced, levered, jemmied, what does it matter?  The truth is the McCanns didn't understand how the shutters worked so anything they said was going to be factually incorrect in any event.

I know one thing for sure though and that is Gerry got one big surprise when he tried to lift the shutter from the outside.

I think that is probably the moment that hope disappeared that Madeleine had wandered; there might have been a slight hope that she may have discovered how to open them from the inside ... but the discovery of being able to do so from outside must have been a terrible blow.

They must have been convinced an intruder had come in that way at the time ... and would be next to incoherent as a result when phoning home whatever they said and there is no doubt everyone they spoke to put their own interpretation on what had happened.

[Angelo222]

I think that is probably the moment that hope disappeared that Madeleine had wandered; there might have been a slight hope that she may have discovered how to open them from the inside ... but the discovery of being able to do so from outside must have been a terrible blow.

They must have been convinced an intruder had come in that way at the time ... and would be next to incoherent as a result when phoning home whatever they said and there is no doubt everyone they spoke to put their own interpretation on what had happened.

I still think there could be two or three events here which came together to create a disaster.  A burglar opens the shutter and window.  A scared child makes a bolt for outside and safety only to meet with a wise fate.

[Brietta]

I still think there could be two or three events here which came together to create a disaster.  A burglar opens the shutter and window.  A scared child makes a bolt for outside and safety only to meet with a wise fate.

Too much coincidence going for me there.  Someone opened the window, for whatever reason ... and it doesn't explain what happened to the child if she did run. 

[ferryman]

I still think there could be two or three events here which came together to create a disaster.  A burglar opens the shutter and window.  A scared child makes a bolt for outside and safety only to meet with a wise fate.

Do you mean a worse fate?

[Benice]

I don't have dreams about it, unlike you it seems, as it appears to perenially occupy your thoughts.

So what supporting evidence that she is alive ?

Is that because there is no 'evidence' she is dead ?

That works both ways.

There you go Stephen - an example of Chinese Whispers.   Brietta didn't say she had dreams about it as you claim above.  You have changed the meaning of what she did say -  and in fact go even further and say why you think Brietta has dreams.     

There is a vast difference between 'having a dream' and  'having dreams'.   

[G-Unit]

To get back to jemmied, smashed, forced, broken shutters.....It wouldn't be the only time the McCanns used others to put their version of events in the public eye. She says so in her book;

Kate told her friends by telephone that she had been made a suspect

p. 246 Madeleine, Friday morning, September 7, "for a good couple of hours we were on the phone, calling family and friends to make them aware of the situation and to give them the green light to voice their outrage and despair if they wanted to. Nobody needed a second invitation. They'd all been struggling to contain their concerns for a long time.
Justine arrived to help. While Gerry talked again to Bob Small she was ringing selected editors in the UK."
The Standard had picked up the feed and published it the same day.

[Mr Gray]

To get back to jemmied, smashed, forced, broken shutters.....It wouldn't be the only time the McCanns used others to put their version of events in the public eye. She says so in her book;

Kate told her friends by telephone that she had been made a suspect

p. 246 Madeleine, Friday morning, September 7, "for a good couple of hours we were on the phone, calling family and friends to make them aware of the situation and to give them the green light to voice their outrage and despair if they wanted to. Nobody needed a second invitation. They'd all been struggling to contain their concerns for a long time.
Justine arrived to help. While Gerry talked again to Bob Small she was ringing selected editors in the UK."
The Standard had picked up the feed and published it the same day.

Don't see anything wrong with that

[Brietta]

Don't see anything wrong with that

Absolutely nothing considering they were bound by the secrecy law and at least if their friends and family were speaking they were telling the truth ... not lying through their teeth like 'a source close to the investigation'.

[stephen25000]

Absolutely nothing considering they were bound by the secrecy law and at least if their friends and family were speaking they were telling the truth ... not lying through their teeth like 'a source close to the investigation'.

and he 'sources' close to the mccanns.

[Alfred R Jones]

How would you describe their behaviour ?

Completely understandable in the circumstances.