Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[G-Unit]

Don't see anything wrong with that

Seems to be a similar method being used as when the jemmied shutter story broke.

[Mr Gray]

Seems to be a similar method being used as when the jemmied shutter story broke.

Only in your imagination.....I see the jemmied shutters a
S more of a non story

[G-Unit]

Absolutely nothing considering they were bound by the secrecy law and at least if their friends and family were speaking they were telling the truth ... not lying through their teeth like 'a source close to the investigation'.

Are you suggesting that sometimes friends and family completely misunderstood what they were told (shutters) and other times they got it completely right (arguido status)? 

[Alfred R Jones]

Are you suggesting that sometimes friends and family completely misunderstood what they were told (shutters) and other times they got it completely right (arguido status)? 

what are YOU suggesting?

[stephen25000]

Are you suggesting that sometimes friends and family completely misunderstood what they were told (shutters) and other times they got it completely right (arguido status)? 

Well according to dave, it was the shitters.

[G-Unit]

what are YOU suggesting?

What are YOU suggesting asking me what I'm suggesting?

[Alfred R Jones]

What are YOU suggesting asking me what I'm suggesting?

I'm not suggesting anything - I'm asking you directly about your continual harping on about the McCanns' phone calls home.  Are you suggesting some kind of impropriety to do with these calls? 

[G-Unit]

I'm not suggesting anything - I'm asking you directly about your continual harping on about the McCanns' phone calls home.  Are you suggesting some kind of impropriety to do with these calls?

I'm not suggesting anything. Kate tells us why they spent ages on the phone. She tells us Justine M phoned selected editors in the UK. They did exactly what they did on 3rd/4th May. They informed friends and relatives about what was happening.

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm not suggesting anything - I'm asking you directly about your continual harping on about the McCanns' phone calls home.  Are you suggesting some kind of impropriety to do with these calls?

I'm not suggesting anything. Kate tells us why they spent ages on the phone. She tells us Justine M phoned selected editors in the UK. They did exactly what they did on 3rd/4th May. They informed friends and relatives about what was happening.

We already know this so why are you telling us again?  There must be a point to it!

[Brietta]

Seems to be a similar method being used as when the jemmied shutter story broke.

Totally different circumstances ... however if you are insistent on reading something sinister into the minutia of everything to do with the Drs McCann, I'm sure you will not agree.

What a painful communication the Drs McCann must have had with their nearest and dearest to tell them that Madeleine was missing ... how sad sceptics can read so much evil into it.

[G-Unit]

Totally different circumstances ... however if you are insistent on reading something sinister into the minutia of everything to do with the Drs McCann, I'm sure you will not agree.

What a painful communication the Drs McCann must have had with their nearest and dearest to tell them that Madeleine was missing ... how sad sceptics can read so much evil into it.

I have no doubt it was painful to tell them that Madeleine had been snatched, abducted, taken by an someone who jemmied the shutters to get at her. It must have been painful to have to tell them that they had left the children alone too. At what point did they tell them about leaving the door unlocked I wonder? None of the friends and relatives reported being told that initially.

,Please note evil and sinister are your words, not mine. They reflect your opinions not mine. I have no idea why the McCanns mislead their relatives or used them as mouthpieces.

[Benice]

I have no doubt it was painful to tell them that Madeleine had been snatched, abducted, taken by an someone who jemmied the shutters to get at her. It must have been painful to have to tell them that they had left the children alone too. At what point did they tell them about leaving the door unlocked I wonder? None of the friends and relatives reported being told that initially.

,Please note evil and sinister are your words, not mine. They reflect your opinions not mine. I have no idea why the McCanns mislead their relatives or used them as mouthpieces.

[/b]

That is your opinion and should not be stated as a fact.   

Unless someone can come up with a credible reason why the McCanns would claim the shutters were  smashed/broken etc - when they knew they were not - and they knew the PJ would know that too - then surely common sense alone suggests folk back in the UK drew their own conclusions of what had happened?   They told what THEY thought had happened - in their own words - and did not repeat parrot fashion the exact words that K&G used?

There would have been a lot more said during those horrific conversations than we know about.   The McCanns were in severe shock and their relatives would also be going into shock during those phone calls.   This is not a case of cool calm and collected discussions over the phone.  I would not expect anyone to exactly remember what was said at such a traumatic time.

So the question is what did the McCanns have to gain by deciding to deliberately lie about the shutters/windows when they knew that as soon as the PJ examined them - they would be exposed as liars?   That makes no sense -  unless you think the McCanns have the brain power of 6 yr olds -  and didn't realise that the windows would be examined by the police.

[Brietta]

I have no doubt it was painful to tell them that Madeleine had been snatched, abducted, taken by an someone who jemmied the shutters to get at her. It must have been painful to have to tell them that they had left the children alone too. At what point did they tell them about leaving the door unlocked I wonder? None of the friends and relatives reported being told that initially.

,Please note evil and sinister are your words, not mine. They reflect your opinions not mine. I have no idea why the McCanns mislead their relatives or used them as mouthpieces.

There you go again ... putting words into peoples' mouths ... the Drs McCann did not say "jemmied" that is something which is 'lost in translation' and doesn't really mean a thing and never did.

Of course evil and sinister are my words ... there is no mistake about that unless you have gained access to my keyboard.

But please do stop maligning the Drs McCann ... you have absolutely no evidence to suggest they tried to "mislead" any one ... there is evidence that Dr Gerry McCann was so distraught and hysterical that he was almost unintelligible when he phoned home ... and why on earth would they require "mouthpieces".

You really do not like this couple one little bit ... despite the fact "they are innocent". Judge Emilia Melo e Castro

[Mr Gray]

Are you suggesting that sometimes friends and family completely misunderstood what they were told (shutters) and other times they got it completely right (arguido status)? 

I think you are dreaming...as far as I can see no one changed their story...could you supply a direct quote where someone has re the shutters

[G-Unit]

[/b]

That is your opinion and should not be stated as a fact.   

Unless someone can come up with a credible reason why the McCanns would claim the shutters were  smashed/broken etc - when they knew they were not - and they knew the PJ would know that too - then surely common sense alone suggests folk back in the UK drew their own conclusions of what had happened?   They told what THEY thought had happened - in their own words - and did not repeat parrot fashion the exact words that K&G used?

There would have been a lot more said during those horrific conversations than we know about.   The McCanns were in severe shock and their relatives would also be going into shock during those phone calls.   This is not a case of cool calm and collected discussions over the phone.  I would not expect anyone to exactly remember what was said at such a traumatic time.

So the question is what did the McCanns have to gain by deciding to deliberately lie about the shutters/windows when they knew that as soon as the PJ examined them - they would be exposed as liars?   That makes no sense -  unless you think the McCanns have the brain power of 6 yr olds -  and didn't realise that the windows would be examined by the police.

The message was clear. Jemmied, forced, smashed, broken. Not raised or open. KM says in her book they phoned and encouraged  their friends and families to speak after being made arguidos. Speak they did;

 family friends of Kate McCann claimed the 39-year-old feared she was likely to be charged with Madeleine's death.

Philomena McCann said: "They tried to get her to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer - 'if you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and disposed of the body, then we can guarantee you a two-year jail sentence or even less'."

"They [the police] believe they have evidence to show that in some way she [Mrs McCann] was involved in the death of her daughter," Ms McGuinness told the BBC.

Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said the police claims were "ludicrous". "They are suggesting that Kate was somehow responsible for accidentally killing Madeleine and kept the body and then got rid of it. I have never heard anything so absolutely ludicrous in my life," she told Sky News.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/08/ukcrime.madeleinemccann