Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[Alfred R Jones]

I have no doubt it was painful to tell them that Madeleine had been snatched, abducted, taken by an someone who jemmied the shutters to get at her. It must have been painful to have to tell them that they had left the children alone too. At what point did they tell them about leaving the door unlocked I wonder? None of the friends and relatives reported being told that initially.

,Please note evil and sinister are your words, not mine. They reflect your opinions not mine. I have no idea why the McCanns mislead their relatives or used them as mouthpieces.

You claim to be completely objective and here you are stating that the McCanns misled their relatives and used them.  if you were truly objective and non-prejudiced you would acknowledge that there is also a stong possibility that they actually believed the shutters had been forced open and that is why they said as much to their relatives.  If you are unable to accept this, then any pretensions to objectivity can be laid to rest right now.

[Mr Gray]

The message was clear. Jemmied, forced, smashed, broken. Not raised or open. KM says in her book they phoned and encouraged  their friends and families to speak after being made arguidos. Speak they did;

 family friends of Kate McCann claimed the 39-year-old feared she was likely to be charged with Madeleine's death.

Philomena McCann said: "They tried to get her to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer - 'if you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and disposed of the body, then we can guarantee you a two-year jail sentence or even less'."

"They [the police] believe they have evidence to show that in some way she [Mrs McCann] was involved in the death of her daughter," Ms McGuinness told the BBC.

Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said the police claims were "ludicrous". "They are suggesting that Kate was somehow responsible for accidentally killing Madeleine and kept the body and then got rid of it. I have never heard anything so absolutely ludicrous in my life," she told Sky News.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/08/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

You are starting to back pedal as you realise how weak your argument is. As far as I am concerned the word Drs McCann used was "forced"....which does not imply any damage and is totally consistent with what was found.

[Mr Gray]

To remind Stephen what he posted..

The word or equivalent came from the mccanns, one way or the other.

[stephen25000]

To remind Stephen what he posted..

The word or equivalent came from the mccanns, one way or the other.

There was no forcing, no jemmying at all.

As for the window, all we have is the word of kate mccann, and no independent verification.

Get your facts right.

Remember also, the words of Clarence Mitchell.................



“There was no evidence of a break-in”

You do realize the implication of that , don't you ?

If the window and shutters had been altered, it would have been evidence.

Mitchell knows it never happened.

[G-Unit]

You are starting to back pedal as you realise how weak your argument is. As far as I am concerned the word Drs McCann used was "forced"....which does not imply any damage and is totally consistent with what was found.

Wrong. Force does imply damage davel;

to break a lock, door, window, etc. in order to allow someone to get in:
I forgot my key, so I had to force a window.
[+ adj] The police had forced open the door because nobody had answered.
The burglar forced an entry (= broke a window, door, etc. to get into the house).
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/force

[Alfred R Jones]

Wrong. Force does imply damage davel;

to break a lock, door, window, etc. in order to allow someone to get in:
I forgot my key, so I had to force a window.
[+ adj] The police had forced open the door because nobody had answered.
The burglar forced an entry (= broke a window, door, etc. to get into the house).
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/force

do you think the McCanns consulted a dictionary before phoning home?

[G-Unit]

do you think the McCanns consulted a dictionary before phoning home?

davel clearly didn't before promoting 'forced'. 

[Mr Gray]

Wrong. Force does imply damage davel;

to break a lock, door, window, etc. in order to allow someone to get in:
I forgot my key, so I had to force a window.
[+ adj] The police had forced open the door because nobody had answered.
The burglar forced an entry (= broke a window, door, etc. to get into the house).
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/force

sorry to correct you again...force may imply damage....I don't need to consult a dictionary as you seem to do...
I could give you examples of the use of force without breakage......without resorting to a dictionary

[Alfred R Jones]

davel clearly didn't before promoting 'forced'. 

Weak answer.  If the mcCanns believed the shutters had been secured from inside and found them open, apparently from outside in what they believed to be a criminal act, what word SHOULD they have used to satisfy their harshest critics?

[Benice]

The message was clear. Jemmied, forced, smashed, broken. Not raised or open. KM says in her book they phoned and encouraged  their friends and families to speak after being made arguidos. Speak they did;

 family friends of Kate McCann claimed the 39-year-old feared she was likely to be charged with Madeleine's death.

Philomena McCann said: "They tried to get her to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer - 'if you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and disposed of the body, then we can guarantee you a two-year jail sentence or even less'."

"They [the police] believe they have evidence to show that in some way she [Mrs McCann] was involved in the death of her daughter," Ms McGuinness told the BBC.

Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said the police claims were "ludicrous". "They are suggesting that Kate was somehow responsible for accidentally killing Madeleine and kept the body and then got rid of it. I have never heard anything so absolutely ludicrous in my life," she told Sky News.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/08/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

IMO You are trying to link two completely separate and unrelated actions and claim they are the same.  Clearly there are no similarities whatsoever between them.     On the 3rd May they were traumatised and hysterical because their child had been abducted and were letting their relatives know what they believed had happened -  at that time.

 Phone calls months later were because the Secrecy Laws has been abused for months in order to turn the public against them.    At the same time they were reminded that if THEY broke those laws by publicly rebutting the accusations being made - they could go to prison.    I completely understand why relatives chose to speak out in those circumstances.    I you can't then I can only assume you have no abiity to put yourself in another persons shoes.

You still haven't said what the McCann had to gain by deciding (as part of a cunning plan) to deliberately lie to their relatives about the window/shutters when they knew that their lies would be exposed as soon as the PJ examined the windows.  Do you really think they were so thick that they didn't realise that is what would happen?     

[Mr Gray]

definition of force.....
In physics, a force is any interaction that, when unopposed, will change the motion of an object. In other words, a force can cause an object with mass to change its velocity (which includes to begin moving from a state of rest), i.e., to accelerate.

[Mr Gray]

From what I have read...the shutters are on a ratchet....raising from the inside releases the ratchet. Raising the shutters from the outside would require a degree of FORCE...to move the mechanism against the ratchet...

[Brietta]

Weak answer.  If the mcCanns believed the shutters had been secured from inside and found them open, apparently from outside in what they believed to be a criminal act, what word SHOULD they have used to satisfy their harshest critics?

Dr Gerry McCann did not believe that the shutters could be raised from the outside.  Indeed until a video was released of a person doing just that with the shutter at Madeleine McCann's bedroom window ... sceptics were in agreement and denial that such an action was possible.

When he lowered the shutter to test if it could be raised from outside he ...

• destroyed at a stroke a piece of evidence from the crime scene; which rather suggests had he been complicit in 'arranging' it would have been an even more stupid action than it was to touch it in the first place
• on discovering that the shutter which he obviously thought of as a security measure could be opened from outside ... imagine his despair
• therefore to imagine that the shutters had been 'forced' from outside and the apartment 'broken into' from that place is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make

Why it remains a discussion point makes as much sense as ... the six dead bodies ... which was attributed to but never said by Dr Kate McCann ... please, please no-one start a thread on that nonsense.

[stephen25000]

definition of force.....
In physics, a force is any interaction that, when unopposed, will change the motion of an object. In other words, a force can cause an object with mass to change its velocity (which includes to begin moving from a state of rest), i.e., to accelerate.

You've been googling again.

A revised version of Newton's 1st Law of Motion.

I didn't need to google that dave. 

[Alice Purjorick]

You've been googling again.

A revised version of Newton's 1st Law of Motion.

I didn't need to google that dave. 

OFF TOPIC
Force = mass x acceleration. SI unit of force is the Newton which is the force exerted by a British Standard Granny Smith's falling through 2 metres onto some geezers head.